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Peter Costello was never a member of any ALP group on campus at Monash. He attended some meetings in order to satisfy his curiosity but was never a member.

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[edit] NPOV Dispute

Over the last few days there has been page vandalism, and consistent disputes over the labelling of various political groups involved in the MSA. These appear to relate to the words used to describe the politics of the major tickets involved in the MSA.

It should be pointed out that as this article is not specifically about the MSA today, but involves its history as well, the descriptions of the political groups involved in the union should reflect this.

Hence, there would appear to be, over the last 3-4 years, three main tickets. These are Go, Activate, and another ticket that has had various names, and various groups have been involved in. Of these groups the liberal club on campus would appear to be one of the consistent features. I’m not sure what other groups have also made up this ticket.

As a first issue, the word “moderate” should not really be used to describe any groups if the rubric of “left or right” is the main focus of discussions of political groups on the page. If people want to use terms such as moderate, they should be used in conjunction with “left” or “right”

I would suggest that the word moderate is not included at all – in my mind it is a meaningless term that anyone seeking popular support attempts to appropriate.

This applies to both left and right. Visit http://www.politicalcompass.org/ for more info on this.

Using words such as “dying” “last stronghold” also would be quite accurate to describe the nature of the MSA & the relationship with the left.

Another issue relates to the way disputes and conflictions within the MSA are described. These have been given humorous names, included slander of individuals involved in them, and stated accusations that where not upheld as facts. A couple of pointers:

  • Any dispute should be described by the name most commonly used to refer to it, not what appears funny
  • Allegations should be stated as such, and the outcome of any hearings or decision should be included (including where any decision or determination was made)
  • Sections on disputes should simply state the facts, and not use the dispute to bolster and argument or particular point of view (hence violating the NPOV policy)
  • Emotive language should be avoided.
Are the political affiliations listed next to the presidents "official" in anyway or are they the factions they caucus with at NUS "outside" of the MSA? Are the "tickets" officially affiliated with political clubs? 58.7.155.184 10:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historial Questions

A few bits of history would be useful - the info is probably in Lots Wife but I don't have that handy

  1. Did Wholefoods become a part of the MSA when the MSA was formed, or did this occur later? Was it perhaps originally under the supervision of C&S?
  2. When did C&S become a division of the MSA? (The original divisions were MAPS, MUISS and MPA)
  3. What year did the MSA take over the Monash Co-op bookshop?
  4. The list of Presidents is nearly complete. Janoel Liddy was the first president in 1996 who resigned for personal reasons and was replaced by Mina Guli (sp?). Who was the second president in 1997?
  5. When (and why) did the Monash Student Board (MSB) become the Monash Student Council (MSC)?

Ans: MSB became MSC mainly due to the introduction of an MSA executive that has a role in dealing with matters btw Council mtgs, including authorising funds and dealing with staffing matters. With the change in role came a change in name, to better distinguish the jobs of the old Board and the new Council.

  1. When did MPA officialy secede?

58.7.155.184 10:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a bit of info about Peter Costello. He was the General Secretary (equiv to President) of the Monash Association of Students (the predecessor of the MSA) at one period, but I don't know which dates. This was a time when he was dabbling in Labor politics. (Andy.rofl 02:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Some recent edits

Are questionable in so far as they allege political tensions and wrongdoings from and to various facets of this organisation. I refer to the recent addition regarding allegations that a petition of 5% of the student body was submitted to executive which then acted in a way counter to the spirit of the constitution. Sans any hyperlinks to online minutes or other documentation to substantiate such allegations, it is perhaps best left out of the article, which as we can see above has been subject to some misappropriation before, assumedly by interested factions or political interests within or associated with the subject of the article, The MSA. The less heated rhetoric within this article the better.

[edit] Name of Organisation

The official name of the organisation is "Monash Student Association (Clayton) Inc." - not just Monash Student Association. Not including the full name (including the word 'Clayton') may be confusing for readers who may mistakenly believe that the MSA (Clayton) serves across al of Monash's campuses.Aujoz 01:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)