Talk:Modesto, California

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[edit] Neighborhoods

Those are not recognized neighborhoods in Modesto. Recognized neighborhoods are Eastridge, La Loma, Airport, The Village, Del Rio, Wycliffe, Sherwood Forest, Niraghi Lakes, etc. The 'neighborhoods' listed are merely geographical breakdowns of the city rather than enclaves recognized by the population.

I removed the section entirely. It's really not encyclopedic in the first place, and the information wasn't really good-quality information, either.mzellman 04:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Grammar is important too. Oh, and $ isn't a letter, it's a symbol, and symbols such as $ do not belong randomly placed in the middle of words. Nuck Chorris (talk) 04:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
That wasn't me. I deleted the insertion, since it was defamatory to me. mzellman (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Famous People

Is it really necessary to mention the rapper Wig on this page? If he's a famous rapper, yes, but I don't think a local rapper (as I presume he is from the description) qualifies for a mention in this Wiki article.

Shouldn't famous people from Modesto include only those who can claim nativity to Modesto? --RebekahThorn 20:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it might be a good idea to split it up into two sections: people born/rasied in modesto, and people living in modesto curretnly. Maybe one for people who lived in Modesto for a little while, too, but that one isn't needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuck Chorris 0 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I noticed Gary Condit is listed both here and in the Ceres article. He is the only entry in the latter. I'm not sure which he belongs to, but surely not both at once? 69.106.153.73 19:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The city also boasts a famous group of ninjas: Leonardo, Raphael, Michelangelo, Donatello and the devious Shredder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.209.73 (talk) 07:38, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modesto Anarchists

I think its important to show all of Modestos features. The DAAA collective works with the community in many ways(I.E. feeding homeless) and just because they do so in unothadox ways you (whoever) keep deleting Modesto anarchists from the links.

I didn't think Modesto was some sort of hotbed of anarchist dissent...oh, wait, it isn't.

I don't agree. It gives the Impression that this a major group in the city which I don't think it is (it's just a handful of misanthropic malcontents). It's fine to have it on, but with the lack of any other non-mainstream groups , along with official site,s gives the wrong idea of what modesto is and isn't. But you (above) make a point of including it, so I'll stop deleting it.

What's considered "mainstream"? We have a city council, police force, etc, that is represented by and large by upper class, white (60% of the population), and wealthy interests, while the city is largely poor (median income of $60,000), working class, and of color (despite census bureau figures to the contrary at 26% hispanic & 15% other than hispanic). Who's the real non-mainstream group?

I love the addition of information on the tallow plant, this is the real modesto highlight. And yes, as I recall, the Modesto Anarchists are a major player in Modesto, please leave them on with information related to the very famous rapper, Wig.

Is a $60,000 income really considered poor? What royal family did you come from? I'm sorry, but you can't convince me that a police force etc. is represented only by those who bring in, what, six figures? It should all be about general representation, and those groups are just that. If we were to list every interest group in Modesto we would end up with an unreadable article--not to offend the underwater basket weavers. It's not that the DAAA doesn't have it's place, but I don't think that place is in an encyclopedia article about the city they serve.

Modesto is not San Francisco, in that it's not really a hotbed of political activity. I'm guessing here, but I don't think a large majority of Modesto residents have heard of the local anarchist movement, copwatch or the DAAA. A simple archive search of the Modesto Bee webpage turns up zero article hits. I agree that mention of these groups/activities here, in virtual isolation, elevates them to a kind of false importance. Philfan22 21:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction

I think the introduction is way too long. People will loose interest if it is that long. It is also very choppy and the information should be put into sections, not in the intro. I would do this myself, but I wanted to run it by the dicussion group first for it is a major edit. Rayana fazli 17:32, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Seconded! --KBrown 17:38, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


All done fixing the intro. I hope it looks better. Rayana fazli 02:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm changing the Intro paragraph's mention of "so-many hours from...(wherever)" to "(such-and-such) miles from (wherever)...etc., putting it less than two hours from (all the wherevers)" mzellman 04:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

I see that this page has been reverted two times in relation to calling the nickname of Modesto as "The Gateway to Yosemite." This is not the nickname of Modesto, it is the nickname of Merced. If Pauconstant or anyone else can give a credible source that says that Modesto's nickname is "the Gateway to Yosemite," then please cite it. Otherwise, no nickname will not be cited on this artic on the don and mike show they call modesto "molesto" because they think that we have a bunch of sex offenders and its annoying and the only reason we would have a nickname is because we created it by acting the way we do

Actually, i am from modesto. i was born and raised there all my life. there are only certain residents that set the rep for modesto as "molesto" and i have never in my life heard of any kind of nickname for modest as molesto. alot of people n modesto who are actually from there arent sex offenders. and i dont think that any one shouldve wrote that on here because its not true. and the press and the media really do spot out the wrong things in modesto; and not the good qualities of modesto. take compton or los angeles for example; i have not seen on here at all about los angeles. and u think modestos bad? think again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.146.138.1 (talk) 00:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought the nickname of Modesto was supposed to be Methdesto? Nuck Chorris (talk) 04:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hick town?

Is Modesto really a hick town?

Lived there in the later 1970s and early 1980s. Was a hick town then. Now, along with much of California, thanks to the invasion by millions of barbarians from the south, Modesto is increasingly becoming Mexican territory with all the horrors that entails.68.13.191.153 22:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Let's leave out the politically correct knee-jerk rhetoric. Regarding this; "...in an unpermitted march, to show support for immigrant rights." C'mon.... legal immigrants have plenty of rights. The marchers want MILLIONS of additional ILLEGAL ALIENS to continue prancing in so as to convert ALL of California into Mexico.68.13.191.153 22:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

To Mr. Bigot here: Mexico = Latin America? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SaulPerdomo (talk • contribs) 07:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
Can we please not be racist? I really hate racism, just as much as I hate idiocy. And Modesto isn't a hick town; its more of a boring and monotonous limbo that you can never escape from. Please try not to insult a town just because it can't grow without a bunch of angry farmers going on a rampage. Nuck Chorris (talk) 04:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

I'm fairly certain that the section on history has been vandalized (king of seals? hmm...). However, I'm on a really slow GPRS connection about to arrive into Sacramento station and don't have the time to look through the past versions to find where the vandalism occurred (my slow glance at the history page seems to indicate it's not the last edit). Can someone else take a peek? cluth 20:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

There's a different phrase now, under sights, where it says "South 7th Street View blight comparable to that of a Third World country." Humorous, but hardly useful, except as an indirect warning to stay away. I'm removing it, but if someone would prefer to simply make it more formal/relevant, I'm sure that would be fine. 69.106.153.73 18:53, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

yeah modesto has crime but who gives a fuck the only reason that we have crime is because of the homeless stealin our shit if any other place had tons of bums they would have the same problem so fuck off!!!

Personally I feel that the hobos aren't as bad as the gang activity. I've seen plenty of hobos just walking out in front of my school, minding their own business, while I've seen packs of gang members wandering around the streets of Modesto, making modesto look crappy, with a horrible police force and tons of unhindered gang activity. Also, the homeless only steal our recyclables if we throw them away, while the gang members will steal our car no matter what. BTW, I put a line spacing before the previous post, since the writer apparently left it out. Nuck Chorris (talk) 04:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] It has a sister city...

According to this page of Sister Cities International, Modesto does in fact have a sister city: Kurume in Fukuoka Prefecture, Japan. Not sure if anyone noticed that...

0955ADLC 00:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

OOPS! Didn't notice some of the text. Sorry!

0955ADLC 19:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] other points of interest

I don't think the article makes any reference at all to the fact that Modesto is home to a junior college, Modesto Junior College (mjc.edu). I think Foster Farms is headquartered in Modesto, too, though I'm not sure... Anybody want to expand the article on a really boring city? Maybe put in some crap about how one school didn't even have Air Conditioning until just a year or two ago? Nuck Chorris (talk) 04:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Foster Farms is headquartered in Modesto, according to this page on the Foster Farms Dairy website. Specifically, the last paragraph. I don't really know where I would say that Foster Farms Dairy is based in Modesto, so I'll let somebody else add it, so long as I can get credit right here. Nuck Chorris (talk) 04:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
More stuff: The tallest building in the city is most likely the Double Tree Hotel in Downtown; the mall is named vintage Faire Mall, and it is two floors, with a Sears, a Gottshalks, a JC Penny, and Macy's. They're building a new addition, which is said to be done around fall this year. Also, I think that the article should show an image of the Water, Wealth, Contentment, Health arch, since it is one of the most interesting landmarks in the city. Yes, the city is THAT boring. Oh, and the arch is the symbol of the city, like the Hollywood sign represents Hollywood, The White House represents Washington D.C., or the Statue of Liberty represents New York. Nuck Chorris (talk) 05:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Midwestern Attitudes

The section on Activism is rather misleading as this area often seems a place where Faith is more important than Education, or Caring for that matter. Newsweek described this part of Central California, being like midwest United States in most ways. It is religiously like the midwest, the Babtist and other big fundamentalist churches being big forces in the community. The areas industry is agriculturally-based, but still in decline as major employers such as TriValley Growers (largest cannery in the world) go bankrupt. And, major employers such as Proctor and Gamble, Lewis Rich, Campbell's Soup, Hershey Chocolate, have left the area. Gallo is a mainstay, and their facility, unmarked from the street, from the air looks like a tank farm. The Gallo family has been good to the town, purchasing the victorian mansion known as the McHenry Mansion, and helping with the center for performing arts. Generally Modesto has not been good to its historical landmarks until fairly recently. There are few multistory victorian homes for instance, and almost no multistory brick buildings of any age. The old street trees are nice however, and used to be considered a good place to raise your kids. The new parts of town are mile after mile of blockwall bordered boulevards, corporate leased shopping centers, and two story homes with tiny trees and narrow yards with SUV's and monster trucks in the driveway.

I worked in an office, on the corner described as the center of the big May Day ralley at that time, but these were mostly illegal emmigrants (aka undocumented), of which there are tens of thousands in the area, and their friends, all wearing white tee shirts, concerned about their (lack of) legal status. There were hundreds or thousands of people at that demonstration, but generally, so-called demonstrations in modesto are at best three or four people standing in front of the post office with a sign about one of the Gulf Wars. There was a brief period of early environmental activism and recycling in the 1970's and 80's, started by some folks from Berkeley, but that eventually died out or became institutionalized. A large group of people outdoors in Modesto is much more likely to be a free concert at Graceada Park on thursday nights in the early summer, the 4th of July Parade, or church letting out. The local police wear boots and black-uniforms, are unfriendly, and more likely to arrest the innocent than the guilty. IMHO WonderWheeler (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)