Talk:MLS Supporters' Shield
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[edit] Why is MLS championship not traditional?
Aricle says: this prize was originally "a product of fans wishing to recognize the team that, in a traditional soccer league, would have won the championship". My question, which I couldn't answer by reading the articles on MLS or MLS Cup is this: How is the MLS championship different from "traditional league" championship? I compared to UEFA Champions League, Serie A, and Preimera División de Mexico. There's ether not enough information to tell, or there's no perceptible difference. Thanks for any info. 198.49.180.40 19:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- I reworded the article to try to explain why. If you there's something you still don't get that I didn't cover, let me know. Recury 19:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. I guess what I'm getting now is that the MLS Championship is awarded to winners of a playoff, while "traditional" leagues don't have a championship playoff at all. Is there some article that we can link to which describes what's "traditional"? Maybe I picked some bad examples, but I saw 2 examples of very prominent league tournaments which have a playoffs and finals matches. How about we link the word "traditional" to this (I managed to find it finally)? 198.49.180.40 21:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, traditional leagues do have a playoff, just not to decide the champion. It is usually called a cup (e.g. Serie A has the Coppa Italia) and runs kind of at the same time as the regular league games and it's sort of like a secondary title. That link would work, but what about this one? The intro to that article sums it up pretty well, I think. Recury 22:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think the first works better, since it talks about championships. The MLS Supporters' Shield is about recognizing who would have been champs under an alternative (if more common) set of rules. It's not about playing for cups. To me, the link you showed just muddies the water more, rather than clarifying what's different about the MLS championsip. Thanks for responding 198.49.180.40 23:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, traditional leagues do have a playoff, just not to decide the champion. It is usually called a cup (e.g. Serie A has the Coppa Italia) and runs kind of at the same time as the regular league games and it's sort of like a secondary title. That link would work, but what about this one? The intro to that article sums it up pretty well, I think. Recury 22:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. I guess what I'm getting now is that the MLS Championship is awarded to winners of a playoff, while "traditional" leagues don't have a championship playoff at all. Is there some article that we can link to which describes what's "traditional"? Maybe I picked some bad examples, but I saw 2 examples of very prominent league tournaments which have a playoffs and finals matches. How about we link the word "traditional" to this (I managed to find it finally)? 198.49.180.40 21:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Overhaul & expansion
Added some info, rewrote a bit, added notes (the Shield comes with an asterisk a lot of the time, let's face it), added an image, created s'more redirects, and so on. The footnotes are currently broken - there's a wiki-wide problem going on today with cite.php, but hopefully it'll all be fixed soon. Bill Oaf 03:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- After purging the page, the problem is gone. Also added a clarification to the footnote for the 2000 Shield. Bill Oaf 19:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Trivia"
The numerous trivia at the end of the article while interesting add nothing to the article. This is an encyclopedia not a sport almanac. Please consider shortening the list. Winonanick 19 May 2007
[edit] Year Discrepancy
It is mentioned early on, "...the Supporters' Shield was created and first awarded following the 1998 season," however the table of Supporters' Shield winners lists teams starting with the year 1996. I'm guessing the table lists teams with the best records throughout the history of the league, and the Supporters' Shield was only awarded later. Perhaps this could be made more clear, or if that is not the case, the correct information needs to be conveyed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.101.176.143 (talk) 14:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
