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Admitting that I've no particular knowledge with regard to German WWI-plans, I would propose that the current wording of the first sentence would need adjustment:

Mitteleuropa (German for Central Europe) refers to the policy created by the Central Powers in the last years of the World War I.

The policy in question did in my belief include also Finland, but Finland is hardly considered mitteleuropäisch by Germans. The current wording strikes me as slightly confused. One ought to differentiate between the policy, that may have affected Mitteleuropa, and the actual region. Mitteleuropa rather refers to the region than to the policy. /Tuomas 17:00, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps you are right, although I'm not sure about Finland. Perhaps the Central Powers were very glad that Finland was born, but the very concept of Mitteleuropa assumed the creation of small puppet states on the territory actually controlled by Germany and Austria-Hungary. Finland was far, far away.
Anyway, I'll try to reword the initial sentence. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 21:31, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

Mitteleuropa is the German word for Central Europe - it's a geographical term (and not an evil german secret plan to destroy Poland)  ;-) I don't see why there is an extra article for this (cause there's also Central Europe and Mitteleuropa is just the German translation) - you don't need to translate every english word into german an then make an extra wiki-article (in the english wiki) for it - that's just absurd !!! M. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.204.109 (talk) 15:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] puppet states

Good Idea, Ruhrjung. I switched the puppet state thingie a bit since I don't know anyone who would argue that those states were independent (perhaps except for Ukrainian nationalists). However, perhaps the puppet thing should be expanded a bit. After all most of these countries had various degrees of independence and at the end of 1918 Germany effectively lost control over most of them. Should we expand it or are the linked articles enough? [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 18:23, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)

Trieste is very mitteleuropean, as well as the slovenian sides et are not mentioned?

[edit] confused as to the map

the last paragraph does not match the map: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland liberated themselves, after the collapse of Imperial Germany and Austria-Hungary at the end of World War I. Soon they gained international recognition and participated in signing of the Versailles Treaty as members of the Entente. The other two (Belarus and Ukraine) were taken over by Russian SFSR and became Republics of the Soviet Union. The map does not match this as it does not highlight any of what would be the USSR (except the Kaliningrad Oblast). Should we not contain this article to mitteleuropa and not the territories of Brest-Litovsk?

--Jadger 02:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mitteleuropa und Rumänien

I don't understand the latest changes made to the article. As if in the German literature (where the term Mitteleuropa was born) there isn't any mention of Romania. That's very absurd since all the german sources have Romania included in Mitteleuropa. See just the many results from Google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Mitteleuropa+rum%C3%A4nien If you ask for more sources I will bother to pick them up and fill a 100 of them in the article. Marc KJH (talk) 16:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

That is not a particularly good argument. First, just the fact that Mitteleuropa and Rumänien appear on the same page proves nothing. (E.g., de:Iguanodon says that the Iguanodon was found in "Westeuropa, Mitteleuropa, Rumänien, Nordamerika, Nordafrika und in der Mongolei", and [1] says that you can reach Romania from Mitteleuropa for example with the Orient-Express.) Second, my google search (searching for German language pages only) yields 155,000 German pages for "Mitteleuropa rumänien", while I get 367,000 German pages for "Osteuropa rumänien". (Not that this proves anything, either.)
Austrian (talk) 20:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Austrian, the reason why Romania is counted to Eastern Europe from the same reason as Poland, Czechoslowakia, Hungary, GDR, Bulgaria etc. --Olahus (talk) 21:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Central Europe

I think we should merge this article into Central Europe! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.218.188 (talk) 18:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)