Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Spiritus Nirin

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was User's not here to build an encyclopedia. User page deleted, account blocked on the English Wikipedia.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 12:06, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Spiritus Nirin

Enormous personal essay. Wikipedia is not a webspace. Ironholds 15:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

100% fact and no joke says Spiritus Nirin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 16:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Ignoring the fact that it reads as nonsense, "100% fact" doesnt matter, it's inappropriate to have on your userpage. Ironholds 16:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Tell me more im very interested why im not notable or what ever the problem is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 16:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that it violates wikipedia's policy on userpages. It is acceptable to post some information on who you are and your likes/dislikes(for example) but a 3 page essay on how you're the reincarnation of god goes waaay over the top, and being unable to spell "jesus christ" doesnt really help your case for being the messiah. Ironholds 16:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Jesus Krist is wrong maybe but im finnish...and here it it Jeesus Kristus...sorry i correct...I claim you dont actually have to agree...am i right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 16:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you know that messias meens a messenger of god? a prophet and thatkind of man...actually i know god and i have seen him...and if you doubt that the vision of jesus christ in my mirror is bullshit i tell its 100% fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 16:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

And you might believe that Jesus Christ was a god with enormeus power, but no he died in the cross...and is a saint forever and a martyre. i had too ability to fortell people what they were about to think and say before they did that...strange but true, but allways that atribute is not in my hands:( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 16:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Go sometimes to church to try to feel the thing you might feel with your heart something more about me too...im a Christ but that dont mean that im the powerfullest of them...actually the real Christ lives in heaven and i suffer my life for him and he gives me the thing...well ask me more if you want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Two points. Firstly, i'm an atheist, so i dont go to church. Secondly, this page is for discussion of why it should be deleted/kept. Please keep your comments limited to that rather than spouting about how jesus appeared in your mirror. Ironholds 17:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you are not a wise person and why you ask. The aswer is the God is 100% fact and why religious material cannot be on wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

soap box??? whats that? i cannot understand why my content cannot be here...i demand a good explanation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

  • If you'd clicked the link you would have found it. What it basically translates as is that wikipedia is not a place where you can stand on your little podium and advertise/promote your particular beliefs. Ironholds 17:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

But there is a religious content in wikipedia so what are you tryin to say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

And your policies about everything seems that you guys can ban everything...am i right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Is me only having the right to edit this page or can my followers come and add things? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC) And why that miscallyneus deletion box is still there??? :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

This isn't about religion. We have articles on religions yes; established religions with more than one follower. and the box is still there because the article is still up for deletion. Ironholds 17:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

But can there come a followers write about the thing or me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

"A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources.". If your religion doesnt fulfill that then any contribution will most likely be deleted. In terms of writing about you, you have to have "made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field", so again it is likely to be deleted. Ironholds 17:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You tell about history, but history is today. and is my user profile and do you say that i cannot have anykind of content here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC) And hole my life is circeled with teology and Christiany so my content can only be that... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 17:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You cant have anything you want on your userpage, no. there are set rules about what is/is not acceptable which i have already explained. Ironholds 18:01, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

What exactly can i then tell in my userpage? and i hope really that it wont be deleted it is interestin material and facts about spiritual world and contains a link to my sacrament...give me a slack:( and can people of mine add things? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 18:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I've already told you about "people of mine". You can have something explaining who you are, but not a massive essay. And it is likely to be deleted. Ironholds 18:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Massive essay? is the content too big or what you mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 18:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The size is a problem, but it is more that the content isn't appropriate. wikipedia is not a webspace where you can put anything you want. Ironholds 18:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

How can you tell that the content is bad? its pure material and very appropriate! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 18:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC) I simply cannot understand why this kind of content cannot be here:( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 18:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

What exactly would make it a approved content? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 18:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles aren't really supposed to be about what you or your organization says, but who or what you are and what you believe. Your userpage is about you as a user and editor of Wikipedia, not about you as an individual, organization, or whatever. An article about your church would go something like "Spiritus Nirin is a Finnish religious organization based in Helsinki. The church does X, Y, and Z. Among the church's core beliefs are A, B, and C...." and so forth. The article would then provide references in the form of books or newspaper articles about your organization - enough to show that there is significant media coverage, and thus that your organization is notable. Your userpage describes your beliefs, which is fine - but that's not really what the userpage is for, according to Wikipedia:User page, which describes what is or is not acceptable content. Religious content is fine, so long as it is neutral, verifiable, and well sourced. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

But it is still a user profile, not a wikipedia main contents, so it can now be forever here:P —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 18:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

No, i've told you twice before and Ultraexactzz just mentioned it; there are guidelines of what is and is not allowed on a userpage and yours breaks them left right and center. Ironholds 20:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You might think that i am trying to represent me as a god, but no a gods messenger. Loving everyone and wanting a little bit same from you people. I demand a long and wisely thinked aswer about everything gone now trough. Yes tell me exactly what can i write and what i cannot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 21:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC) And if your spiritual level is high enough you can come and see with my eyes:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 21:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC) My church is everywhere around not buildings or temples and i live my life as a simple man...let the profile be! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 21:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC) You guys are doing the same thing to me that the year zero...just that I say that I am a Christ...and do you guys carry now a cross where i belong or what? Do you guys have any intelligent? my sacrament is readable though some literacy errors might be still but a real life story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 21:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Love is the thing and the solution to this should now be that.

Insulting us is not the way to go. Point: it is a personal essay. Point: personal essays are not allowed on wikipedia talk pages if not related to wikipedia. End of dicussion. Ironholds 21:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

And you guys to know world contains many people with a stature Christ, example in different spiritated or developed societys and languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 21:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

...what? Ironholds 22:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Correcting that im not exactly same incarnation that the original Christ is, but the rest you might understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 22:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt matter if you think you're some relation to "god", the essay still isn't appropriate content. If you came into my computer room in a heavenly chariot driven by angels it still wouldnt be worthwhile content for a userpage. Ironholds 22:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Christianity is a wild thing:) essay, essay, essay!?!? what do you mean exactly?

essay is what i mean. It's an enormous rant about how you're the telepathic messenger of god, how jesus appeared in your mirror to tell you this and large ramblings about the nature of your religon. Would you find that appropriate if it was a site you checked through? Ironholds 22:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You say you dont believe. thats not a reason why my content cannot be here. I write about completely truth about everything...damned you:( —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 22:14, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Again, insulting me wont help. it's nothing to do with my personal beliefs, i have told you repeatedly it is Wikipedia guidelines which say this is inappropriate content. I have pointed this out FOUR TIMES, i dont see why you seem unable to understand that. Ironholds 22:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

And yes i understand you to be common man and these kind of things might be over your head, but things are like the things are. I saw the great light that blinded my eyes and i saw a vision of Jesus Christ and that is true. what im supposed to tell you about? I wanna joke too and sometimes be serious and i think you yet dont understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 22:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

So you've called me thick as well! i saw a great light as well, but i decided to get out of the way of the train before i got turned into paté. Claiming that others are too common or thick is a common tool by religous nutjobs to explain why their craziness doesnt make sense to others. Getting back to the topic at hand, whether you saw god or not is not relevant. Wikipedia policy is against pages like this, end of. Ironholds 22:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

And again i claim and it is worth of some attention, dont you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 22:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

uhm, no. You've had your attention; i've spent hours on end trying blindly to explain why your userpage isn't appropriate. The user page is not appropriate, i dont see what you can add to that. It doesnt matter if you believe you interacted with god or not, it is still not appropriate content. Ironholds 22:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Everything is true a telepathic society and a my life circumstances forced me to be what i am...content important! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 22:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

It doesnt matter that it's true. I went to the toilet twenty minutes ago but that doesnt mean it's worthy of a two-page rambling essay on my userpage. And last time i checked society wasnt telepathic. Messages inside your head and halucinations are classic schizophrenia signs, and you fit the age range perfectly. I'd advise getting checked out with all seriousness. Ironholds 22:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Try to get trough from my picture and lets talk awile. And it is scientifical knolidge that telepacy exist...I do not have to explain more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 22:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean "from your picture", and find me one piece of evidence that telepathy exists! you're not explaining more because you dont have any evidence.Ironholds 22:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You are closing out yourself from high spiritation saying the telepathy aint true...i understand you are affraid and usually thats for a reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 22:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Tell me what to remove and what is acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 22:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The entire thing is unacceptable. you can put maybe a few interests, hobbies and so on, but soapboxing and personal essays are out of line. And i'd advise actually contributing to wikipedia rather than promoting your own religion would be a good idea. Ironholds 22:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

So wikipedia aint a source of real life spiritualisms? why? where should i then contribute this thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 23:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Contributing? aint i doing that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 23:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Wikipedia has a content about vissarion and its maybe a thing same or different so why my content is now illegal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 23:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC) The content should stay it is a short biography and histogram of me:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 23:19, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Somekind of media coverage hmmm...I dont see news about Vissarion, unestetic maybe...and me Spiritus Nirin in the media...do you understand that is not the right way to prosess the thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 23:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

There are two problems here. The problems are A) the content and B) its location. Wikipedia has articles and user pages. Articles are discrete collections of verifiable facts from reliable sources, presented in a WP:NPOV neutral fashion. This includes topics such as Religion, the planet Mercury, and John F. Kennedy. From the Userpages policy - "Wikipedia provides user pages to facilitate communication among participants in its project to build an encyclopedia." In this case, your essay - while it's obviously on a subject close to your heart - does little to facilitate this communication. Additionally, as you provide a website and personal information such as date of birth, it appears to be partially promotional in nature, which is also prohibited. Unfortunately, because the page appears to violate these policies, it meets the criteria for deletion, which is why it is nominated here. You could trim it down to mention who you are and - BRIEFLY - what your religious beliefs are, if you wish, and that would likely be acceptable.UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 23:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Tell me why is prohibited to people in the world know me and yes i told in my profile what is my religious view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 23:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Should we then move my content to under some different criteria or where exactly. People are interested about the content i believe so why the hell its inproper? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 00:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The content is probably fine, in and of itself, but it just doesn't meet Wikipedia's policies at the moment, specifically the use of the User page (as referenced in the userpage policy). There are other websites on which such essays can be posted, and it might not be a bad idea to use one of those; that way, you would have control of the content, without having to worry about Wikipedia's (admittedly strict) content policies. Wikipedia is neutral, and as such isn't the sort of website that serves as a platform from which to promote your beliefs. If, as you indicate, there are many people who would find this interesting, then they too would probably benefit from having it on its own website and not buried by over 2,200,000 other articles here. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 00:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have my large content in my web page though. But this thing is though notable under some criteria...man says even the prime minister of Finland...my friend for some time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 01:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Dalai Lama and me agreed that man can call himself god...if you think it much you know why:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 01:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC) If wikipedia aint wanting content about me then where you suggest i move? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 01:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete. Heck, maybe speedy as blatant self-promotion, not to mention the dozens of other things. It's not appropriate for userspace, and so far this MFD has been nothing but troll-food. This kid has had his fun, let's send him off to play with these guys. Also, I suggest not bothering to reply to him. If he's truly divine, he can prove it by raising the page from the dead when it's deleted and he's blocked (or is that WP:BEANS?) --UsaSatsui (talk) 01:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello world of ignorance (waving my head) can there be a link then to my main page in my user profile? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 01:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC) I am a notable person! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 01:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC) And maybe again, but still there is content about people claimed to be Jesus Christ...or claiming:)

You all might have a incorrect feel about me and my teology. I say im correct and not making a anykind of joke...What to say if you guys dont understand... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 02:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC) Actually the indirect, direct or what ever re-or incarnations of Christ will allways exist and summon on earth. Maybe allways the light thing and visions or something else so my intelligent tells to the world the thing with a abstract way:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 02:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • For goodness sake, stop trying to persuade us pig-headed Wikipedians to change our minds. Look at comparison of wiki farms and go away and create your own wiki somewhere else. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 02:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Christianity is humans main religion am i right? so many people are and will summon to be the thing. Trust me:Z —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 02:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete and fully agree with the not feeding the trolls type comment above as this whole page has been used as a soapbox for the uer rather than a discussion of the deletion. Don't feed him.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 02:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes and can my user profile contain a link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 02:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC) And i have all the time in the world to discuss about my notability:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 02:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • I know I'm breaking my own advice, but please, at least learn to sign your posts with "~~~~". I don't want SineBot to blow a gasket. --UsaSatsui (talk) 03:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

"like this?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 03:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC) "Should not to be deleted and why you fellows dont aswer to all my guestions?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 03:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

"So you all in wikipedia now think about the thing and email then me the final decision with a explanations...and can my user profile contain a link to a webpage or not?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 04:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

"Now when all matters discussed and you guys maybe studying my sacrament maybe the miscellany deletion box would be appreciate to remove" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 05:13, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete Despite being pointed towards the guidelines on user page content more than once, the editor seems unlikely to modify it towards something which may comply with those – specifically that a user page ought to focus on stuff which relates to them as an editor of Wikipedia. As it says on the NOT page: "You may not host your own website, blog, or wiki at Wikipedia." Sugarbutty 06:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

"That there cannot be a link to my webpage in my user profile?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 06:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • "So how much content can the user page contain and again can there be a link? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 06:50, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
    • As it says in the guidelines: "You are welcome to include a link to your personal home page, although you should not surround it with any promotional language." --Sugarbutty 07:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
  • "And how much content and give me example what allowed" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 07:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
    • I'd suggest getting rid of the lengthy essay on your ideas and beliefs, neither of which is related to Wikipedia. Simply link to your site, with a note to say what might be found there: eg. "This is my website, which details my interest in music and my faith." Or something along those lines. --Sugarbutty 07:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

"And i do not understand what mean any promonitional language?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 07:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC) "aah damned the curse of Christ is suffering and to almost everyday be nailed:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 07:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC) "Also Finnish people now angry about my content to be violating wikipedia!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 07:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • "So it coul be likeImage:Nirin.jpg Spiritus_Nirin, Lutheric babtice Leo Wilhelm Lindroos. Was born 03.05.1981 in Helsinki, Finland. Now located in Porvoo, Finland. and a link to my homepage?"
    • I'm pretty sure that would be fine. --Sugarbutty 07:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

"Tell me why wikipedia dont want a contents more about me and a short biography?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 08:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC) "Lets then do some action. deletetion of a historically remarcable content...hmmm! But yes i can tell everything in my homepage:)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 08:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC) The spiritual history of our life time...think about it...what happened and when and im starting to feel that the telepacy was my existances birth:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 09:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC) " I am a Drema soul and birth things and if you are having the ability or what ever you can see my spiritual profile:)" "Gods and arcangels exist and etc. and somebody can be so calling winning to be the thing. History is today and find your own way to rock your life...thats my advice:)"

"But nowadays it its with telepacy and more to be a must a spiritual sanctuary...and life aint a competition in anyway. Sorry if you missunderstood:)" "What stature bands, mucisians are notable here?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritus Nirin (talk • contribs) 10:54, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete, clearly violates the userpage guidelines. Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC).
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