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Contents 1 No page for Aristasia ? 2 Speedy delete - no copyright violation 2.1 Regarding copyright 3 Aristasia

[edit] No page for Aristasia ?

Why does "Aristasia" redirects to this page ? Shouldn't there be a separate page for a movement/creation and another one dedicated to their respective leader/creator ?

Previous versions [1] seemed to make more sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.228.160.177 (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

That's true, but it seems Aristasia does not, as yet, meet Wikipedia's rigorous notability criteria. Incidentally, Miss Martindale is a prominent Aristasian but not Aristasia's leader or "creator". Robina Fox (talk) 21:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy delete - no copyright violation

This page was given a speedy delete on grounds of copyright violation on 21st May 2007, but there was no violation. The text was originally mine, written for Wikipedia, and I gave permission for it to be used on the Aristasia Wiki. Robina Fox 13:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not clear who wrote the comment on the Aristasia Wiki's Talk page. Also, I am unfamiliar with the copyright agreement of the Aristasia Wiki and am not sure that an unsigned comment is enough, if we cannot verify that the person who copyrighted and the person who gave permission are the same person. Can you help us verify that the person who copyrighted the material and the person who gave permission are indeed the same person? That might help. I want to get the article back up but we need to do it by the book. Joie de Vivre 14:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding copyright

The following is a communication to me from Krimpet which may help explain:

I used my university's library LexisNexis search to confirm that the claimed articles in the Guardian/Independent/etc. exist. They did, I found a bunch of articles from circa 1995; thus, I am satisfied that this woman is notable per WP:BIO. I would have withdrawn my nomination; however, I noticed that the article was actually a copy of the article from that wiki you linked to. That wiki licenses its content under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 2.5 license; "NoDerivs" means all content must be copied verbatim, and derivative works (such as a GFDL Wikipedia article) are strictly disallowed. (It seems pretty unusual for a wiki to use NoDerivs; there must be a specific reason why they chose not to allow any derivative work, and we need to respect that choice and their copyright.) Thus, we are required to delete this version of the article as a copyright violation under CSD G12. However, a new article written from scratch would be OK. (from Krimpet)

-- Joie de Vivre 14:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I was in touch with Sushuri Madonna of the Aristasia Wiki and asked her to sign her note (which she didn't know how to do before), so perhaps that will help - as seen on the History page, she posted the article. Obviously, I don't want to be seen as a copyright violator! However, I am not at all attached to the text of the article and am happy for you to rewrite it. Robina Fox 15:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I always seem to be a little behind you - you work quickly! Robina Fox 15:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no worries. Take a look at it and let me know what you think. Joie de Vivre 15:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks OK; I'm satisfied that you were the original author of the content, so voluntarily releasing it here under the GFDL is OK. I apologize for the deletion! I've merged all the deleted revisions back into the page history. Krimpet (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your apology! This actually turned out to be a good thing, because the article is actually more complete than it was before this process. (It reminds me of a medical treatment that causes slight injury in order to stimulate a healing response from the immune system.) I am pleased with how it turned out. Joie de Vivre 17:39, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aristasia

FWIW: yes, Miss Martindale was in the UK Sunday papers in the 90's and to quite some extent (see above and article). Flattering-distant pics of her in the Ilford semi-detached and unconvincing descriptions of her wobbly-heeled maids-in-training; selected quotes of her whack-em-with-a-crop philosophy and all. But no mention was ever made of any class of Aristasians or anything approaching this class of philosophy in any of those mainstream mentions. Could be the lucky journos' were missing something in all the smother, could be this is latter day fringe bandwagon skippies. Aristoc tights might have a lot to answer for. Training heels and all. Do tell! Plutonium27 (talk) 15:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC) offers you the rubber glove of love for the first one to satisfy WP standards of proof.

Offhand, I recall that The Observer article, the Channel 4 documentary, some less mainstream articles, such as that in The Pink Paper, all made considerable mention of the Aristasian philosophy and way of life. It has developed since then, as one might expect, but the essentials were there. Robina Fox (talk) 22:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)