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[edit] Military history of Turkey is Turkish military history

Military history of Turkey is the Turkish military history? Is there any other way to it? Anglepush 19:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, here's the problem. You created a new article with the name History of Turkish Armed Forces. That's fine, but its unreasonable to assume someone will be able to tell the difference in a search that they would want that page over Turkish military history. To correct this, you replaced the page at Turkish military history with a link to this page Military history of Turkey (disambiguation). That is bad. No page should ever redirect to a disambiguation page, further you've blanked everyone's contributions to Turkish military history. Instead, you should just create a new section, title it ==History==, and paste the content from History of Turkish Armed Forces there. It does not matter what the content of Turkish military history already contains, the fact is the title lends itself to covering the entire history of any military that is Turkish in nature. As for anything related by another name, that should be separated. -wizzard2k (C•T•D) 19:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, Turkish military history contains information that was forked from Turkish Armed Forces. (see the History section) -wizzard2k (C•T•D) 19:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Lets see if we can sort out. (a) What you say: ""That is bad"" is conceptually wrong. Ethnic groups do not have military. Turkish is a name given to a group of people (ethnic) who organized around states, Ottoman Empire, Republic of Turkey, etc. These states have military. You say I'm deleting; but really what I'm doing is correcting the content. (b) You say "It does not matter what the content of" It matters, because if you check the pages, the material in the article is already contained (may be copied) from already established articles under ottoman Empire. However the content regarding the 1923-present was a new and not repeated content. This section is moved to History of Turkish Armed Forces. If I deleted anything that is not already included in the Ottoman related articles, I'm not against to integrate this information to regarding articles. --Anglepush 19:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
If the page titles should be changed, lets move them to a different, more appropriate title, rather than erasing the content and creating a convoluted redirect structure. The existing content from the article Turkish military history (see old un-redirected version here [1]), what should that be titled? It was forked from Turkish Armed Forces#History, and should be kept in some fashion. I am thinking it just has a title that is confusing to your purpose. -wizzard2k (C•T•D) 19:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
If you read first the paragraph: The content begins with 209 BC. That is very controversial. I support the content related to Ottoman, and Republic of Turkey and some degree Seljuks but not B.C. There is no single citation associated with the information. --Anglepush 19:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I am not here to discuss a content dispute. I'm here because you blanked a page with contributions from other editors. If you take issue to the content from that article, you should bring that up on its talk page. Now, since that article appears to be Seljuk-Ottoman history, according to a comment from its talk page, here is what I suggest. One article titled Military history of Turkey, which contains the merged content from Turkish military history and History of Turkish Armed Forces both, and can be organized in to appropriate sections for time periods. The remaining articles will have redirects to this main article, and the main article contains a link to the disambiguation page for other uses. I can perform these changes if it sounds good to you, then you can continue editing the particular time period you want under the one main article. -wizzard2k (C•T•D) 19:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I appreciate your efforts. --Anglepush 19:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Give me about 10 minutes to perform the mergers and fix all the links, then you can edit the main article at Military history of Turkey. -wizzard2k (C•T•D) 19:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
All done, by the way! -wizzard2k (C•T•D) 20:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Just one question. You want me to summarize the military history of Republic of Turkey under the Military history of Turkey?? --Anglepush 20:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
That would probably be best to keep similarly named information together. I realize the meaning has changed, but because its named the same, it should be easily found under the search topic. To include it in the same article, but under a separate header would probably be the best way for now, rather than create another article. -wizzard2k (C•T•D) 20:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Military history of the Turks vs Military history of Turkey

Any interest in moving this page to "Military history of the Turks"? After speaking with User:E104421, I realize the topic is far larger, but I think it would allow for a more seamless integration of topics that span Seljuk-Ottoman, or Ottoman-Republic of Turkey, and still be able to take into account the modern history of other Turkish peoples. Hiberniantears 13:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is Seljuk-Ottoman history

This is only the military history of Turks which have settled in Anatolia.Changing title to "Military history of Turkey" or adding the missing information would be better and true

[edit] You're all wrong

This should actually be military history of the modern Republic of Turkey, not Turkish dominated Anatolia, which is encompassed in the 1000 or so other articles mentioned elsewhere. What a cluster fu*k this has turned into... Hiberniantears 02:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Habsburg Spain is still Spain, just like Ottoman Turkey is still Turkey.

"Turkey" didn't begin to be called this way in 1923 (that's how we're called in England since the 14th century, which comes from the original Italian Turchia).

We only substituted constitutional monarchy with a secular democratic republic in 1923.

We were "Turkey" before, we are still "Turkey" after.

Now, please don't interfere in issues which you don't know too much about.

I added facts, dates, events, wars, treaties and chronology.

You only monkeyed with the existing paragraphs, phrases, sentences and commas, occasionally changing the location of the photos according to your personal tastes, without asking for the opinions of those who added them.

In many instances, your "copy-paste" work was a disaster (putting the Ottoman Navy chronology under the Ottoman Air Force section, missing some words from the sentences due to the lack of attention while doing copy-paste, erasing the information and then giving links to the same page (Military history of Turkey), etc...)

If this is your contribution, please leave it to those who actually "add" some "information".

Not just "monkey with them" with a sick obsession (for what reason, I don't know).

Did you have bad memories as a tourist in Turkey? Flavius Belisarius 17:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Nevertheless, your reorganization of the disambiguation is spot on, and exactly in line with what I am saying. Once again, no need to make fun of me for being -dare I say bleeding- the very essence of Wikipedian Awesomeness. Hiberniantears 21:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish Military History

In my opinion, the Turkish Military History article is more general and covers all the Turkish Empires and the Republic. On the other hand, the Military History of Turkey article (which should be renamed as the Military History of the Republic of Turkey) is just a part of the Turkish Army article's history section. For this reason, i'm in favor of merging the Military history of Turkey (Republic of Turkey) article into the Turkish Army article and restoring the general Turkish military history is its place. This proposal will also remove the need for a disambiguation page. Regards. E104421 10:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)