Talk:Mike Lieberthal

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[edit] "Lieberthal, who is Jewish"

I'm pretty sure his father is Jewish, his mother was Christian, and Mike himself was raised Catholic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.32.20.164 (talk) 17:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Notability of Lieberthal being Jewish

Even with ethnicity, Wiki policy calls for its mention in the opening if it is relevant to the subjects's "notability."

To determine what notability means here, one must go to Wikipedia:Notability (people), the notability criteria guideline for Wikipedia.

That guideline states, inter alia, that "Notability on Wikipedia for people is based on the following criterion: The person has been a primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person. This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, scholarly papers, and television documentaries ...."

Thus, where one is noted as being a Jew in multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, and the like, they meet the notability requirement. And thus it would be appropriate to include that fact in the opening paragraph of their bio.

(Query, btw, as well whether one might argue that where a person is included in an ethnicity list on Wiki, as under "Black Jews," their ethnicity is notable.)

Some commentators seem to confuse what is meant by "notable" with their own, non-Wiki definition.

Notability does not mean that they are famous for being of that group.

There are a number of Halls of Fame and list and articles relating to Jewish athletes, for example, I do not think that we have the same for Catholics or Protestants.

"Jewish Sports Legends" is a book that one can find at [1]. The International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame Jewishsports.net bios can be found at [2]. Jews in Sports bios can be found at [3]. National Jewish Sports Hall of Fame bios can be found at [4]. Jews in the Olympics can be found at [5] and medalists can be found at [6]. The Baltimore Jewish Times runs articles on Jewish athletes: [7]. The Holocaust Museum runs articles on Jewish athletes in the Holocaust: [8] and [9]. "From the Ghetto To The Games: Jewish Athletes in Hungary" focuses on certain Jewish athletes [10]. It is mentions such as these, which are typically reflected in the bios in question, that reflect that the Jewish nature of the person has been noted in articles, etc ... which is what Wiki policy focuses on.

Finally, "categories" are not sufficient. They are not part of the article. If the article is quoted in full, they are not quoted. And, I might add, it is I expect typical for every other "category" information to be reflected in the text of the bio -- It would be highly unusual, if not unique, to only reflect the fact in a category, but not in the text. --Epeefleche 19:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)--Epeefleche 19:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

• You already refer to him as Jewish in the following statement about fifth most home runs, I don't think a blurb on why he is considered Jewish is at all relevant.. just assume he is and don't need to explain it.. Spanneraol 23:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

• • Would agree with you, but that was put in because other editors challenged the fact, prompting the need to support it to satisfy them. But, given your comment, combined it with later para.--Epeefleche 23:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

• • • A specious argument, only, can be made that he is Jewish. Being on lists does not make one Jewish. The Reform movement will recognize one as Jewish if he has a Jewish father and is raised as a Jew. Not the case here. Drop him. He asked NOT to be considered Jewish.[11]Mwinog2777 (talk) 16:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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