Talk:Miguel da Paz, Prince of Asturias

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Do not change this without discussion - since when has 'Prince of Asturias' been a higher title than 'Crown Prince of Portugal'? Michael Sanders 22:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC) I changed it to "Prince of Portugal and Asturias" because he was... Prince of Portugal and Prince of Asturias, not only Prince of Asturias.Câmara 00:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I think this page should be renamed "Miguel da Paz, Prince of Portugal" or "Miguel da Paz, Prince of Portugal and Asturias" as he descended in male line from the portuguese king.Câmara 19:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Prince of Asturias is the more common title. Male line descent has nothing to do with it. Charles 20:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Common where?81.193.32.214 23:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)It's meCâmara 23:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
In the English language. Charles 23:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Googles finds 196000 "miguel da paz prince of portugal" and 69500 "miguel da paz prince of asturias"Câmara 23:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I have replied on your talk page. Charles 23:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


Miguel da Paz, Prince of Asturias → Miguel da Paz, Prince of Portugal and of Asturias — Miguel da Paz, or Miguel de la Paz, was both a Portuguese, a Castilian and an Aragonese heir to the throne. Portugal and Spain (Castile and Aragon) were two independent sovereign nations, each with its own respective title used for the heir to the throne. Castile uses Prince of Asturias and Portugal uses Prince of Portugal, the other sons and daughters of Iberian monarchs are styled Infante or Infanta. Since Miguel da Paz was the eldest son of a Portuguese king, Manuel I of Portugal, and that he would become king of Portugal by a direct male line, and king of Castile and Aragon by a female indirect line, I think this article title should have at least his Prince of Portugal title. Other alternatives are Miguel da Paz, Prince of Portugal and Prince of Asturias or Miguel da Paz, Prince of Portugal and Asturias. Joaopais 19:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

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  • Oppose Being the heir to two kingdoms does not mean that both need to be used. Before the Acts of Union, we didn't have "The Prince of Wales and Scotland". Charles 20:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose What is he actually called? "Prince of Asturias" seems more plausible. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


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It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 20:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)