Talk:Microwave auditory effect

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[edit] The Hum/The Bloop

Seems like this effect combined with background radiation could help explain these unexplained noises. Is there any research to support this? The Hum Bloop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.179.21.221 (talk) 09:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On the uselessness of this stub

The suggestion that this pathetic stub should be merged with my most authoritative (just google and see the ranking...) full length article "Frey effect" is simply a joke!

Indeed, when I first tried to fix this feable stub ( 04:41, 5 January 2005) it has been very quickly reversed by "The Anome" (11:07, 5 January 2005 ).

I then started my own Frey effect article.


Therefore, better than merging this now totally useless stub, it would be much wiser to delete it !!!


--203.198.108.159 12:04, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

I think people are more familiar with the term "Frey" than "microwave auditory effect" and it is NOT much wiser at all to just delete it. --AI 07:08, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, there you have it. By the admission of the author, Frey effect is a knowing and deliberate content fork, and should be deleted. -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:24, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Is there proof this is the actual "author." Yes, maybe the actual the author of his contributions... Author of the entire article ? ? Gimme a break. --AI 07:00, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
No one is afraid of the "CIA psychotronic superweapon". No one except you. You seem to be suffering from paranoid delusions, and I urge you to take your health seriously and get professional help. You are clearly not thinking straight, as evidenced by the fact that you openly admit that you didn't like the way an existing article covered a subject so created your own competing article, and then call it a "groundless accusation" that you created a POV fork. That's what a POV fork is. Your entire pattern of editing indicates that you are having trouble recognizing what is reality and what is delusion; I urge you once again to get professional help. -- Antaeus Feldspar 15:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Are you going to denied that you are far from being perfectly fit mentally? Your own personal user page suggest otherwise:
"due to illness, I may be less active on Wikipedia for a while. Hopefully I'll be back up to strength soon"...
- Antaeus Feldspar
You are wrong to think that vandalism could be a cure to your physical ailments, for beams of muons that are the real cause can only be thwarted with depth of materials such as rock for instance or by adding some distance between you and their source.--203.198.242.116 11:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Again -- I urge you to seek professional help. These "beams of muons" are delusions. You need real help. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Antaeus, personal comments are forbidden in Wikipedia. --AI 07:04, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
To clarify for anyone that might be confused, personal comments are not forbidden on Wikipedia. Personal attacks, such as yours, are. Even if I am frustrated by the behavior that originates from this contributor's paranoia, I am sincerely concerned by his mental health and I urge him to seek treatment. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:47, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Instead of deleting, redirect after merge. --AI 02:36, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
POV forks, because they are created to try and get the material in without consensus, have the burden of proof of showing that any of their material is worthy of merging. It goes without saying that whichever article is eliminated will in fact be made a redirect to the remaining article. It is not a foregone conclusion that any material from the POV fork deserves to be merged before that occurs. -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:34, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Well you cannot just delete it before everything has been reviewed for merging and this is a complicated subject. The merge has already been done... --AI 07:15, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Now that the question has been openly raised by some readers, I can finally reveal that, yes, I was indeed working on several additional sub sections. So be patient, wait, watch and learn.
If the US build this psychotronic superweapon, we will eat grass or leaves, even go hungry, but we will conquer the Moon and Mars first.
-CAS Academician Ouyang Ziyuan


--203.198.242.116 11:46, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
For now I've decided to mark the article as NPOV, as well as requiring cleanup. As stated below, I fully intend to actually do some research on this topic (following the references that exist and are reputable) and remove any material that seems not well-supported. Hopefully this is an acceptable solution, though it means that the MAE page will be in a dubious state for the next couple days. Colin M. 09:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Frey effect / Microwave auditory effect merge

I've taken the liberty of merging the Frey effect page into the microwave auditory effect page. The microwave auditory effect page has now inherited the cleanup tag, as I believe most of the sections of the Frey effect page needed heavy copy editing and fact checking. I still plan on going through and finishing up this dirty work at some point soon. In the meantime, it's still the case that many references are duplicated. In fact, this has probably gotten worse because of the merge. Sometime in the next week or so I intend to be done with the cleanup and will remove the tag at that point unless someone objects. Colin M. 09:17, 7 September 2005 (UTC)


Antaeus Feldspar, Salsb and Colin M. this is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. note: added by an anon user who doesn't sign his/her accusations

Give it up. None of the changes I've ever made to this article even remotely count as vandalism. This is about the 10th "last warning" I've received from you. Given the stunning lack of my editing privileges being banned to date, I think it's more than safe to say these are completely empty threats. Also, quit pasting that on the article page, it's completely inappropriate for inclusion in the article. If you have a problem with the POV or facts of my edits, by all means discuss them on the talk page, but the real page is not a place for baseless, unsigned, personal accusations. Colin M. 14:53, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Colin, did you trim any of the contents of Frey Effect while merging? --AI 07:26, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

No. The only contents change that I made during merge was a slight rewrite of the introduction, to better explain the different names (it would have been confusing to have it referred to as the Frey effect and microwave auditory effect inconsistently). You can see the two versions here: Frey Effect before merge Microwave Auditory Effect after merge Colin M. 08:55, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Looks good, but now Salsb has blanked a section[1] before anyone else could discuss it. See discussion subtitle below: #Natural Carriers --AI 09:34, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Natural Carriers

I asked for a citation on the frey effect page as to the relationships of any of these natural carriers to neuron firings, since as written it looks like speculation. I can't find any myself, so I am removing the section pending supporting documentation . Salsb 16:56, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Your opinion that it looks like speculation should not determine if the section should be removed. Others may have references. Consensus should determine if the section is removed. --AI 07:31, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Please provide these references. Information need to be verifiable. Otherwise the section appears to be nothing more than a collection of basic facts about decay, combined with speculation about neural firings. BTW the web links to the different decay processes are misleading with the text following, as they link to explanations of the processes, but have no direct connection to neuron firing. Salsb 17:21, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
Since this article is clearly controversial, my personal opinion is that every section should eventually have its own list of references that can be used to easily verify the veracity of each section. The section under discussion was not particularly relevant to the article and much of the content would be better off summarized briefly, with links to more detailed pages such as beta decay and so on. However, removing it entirely may not have been the best choice. I'm fine with it in or out, but if we bring it back in I thin kit will need substantial revision. Colin M. 11:27, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I restored this section which had been blanked[2]. --AI 12:19, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Allan H. Frey

I just created Frey's article and its still a stub if any of you are into doing some research and writing. --AI 06:52, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Colin M.'s response to personal attacks

I have decided I will no longer respond to any personal attacks directed against myself by any users on this page. Instead I will simply remove them outright. Anyone willing to discuss factual evidence about this article is welcome to do so. However, anyone who attacks or reverts my edits on the basis of groundless accusations such as:

  • lacking "even the most basic scientific knowledges" [3],
  • being a "fool" [4],
  • being a "puppet remotely controlled with beams of muons" [5], or
  • being "simply no match" [6] for understanding this article,

is in violation of Wikipedia policy and will simply be ignored. I have taken the liberty of removing these attacks, as they add nothing to the discussion.

Anyone who is concerned that I may be a vandal is encouraged to take a look at my contributions history, and anyone who is concerned about my professional/scientific qualifications is encouraged to search for me with CiteSeer or even Google. I use my real name on Wikipedia because I stand behind what I say. Colin M. 01:16, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Warning For The New Gang-vandals

Antaeus Feldspar, Salsb, Colin M., Sasquatch, Jtkiefer and 68.39.174.238, be warned ! The next time you vandalize a page you will also be blocked from editing Wikipedia.--218.102.23.115 05:22, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

As I warned you on one of your several talk pages once you submit edits to wikipedia the article no longer is your and thus you have no right to it, in actuality your edits are the ones that are the vandalism and I urge you to stop before we have to block you to stop the vandalism. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 05:41, 10 October 2005 (UTC)


heh heh, did I mention I permablocked that IP as an open proxy? well, don't use proxies as I will find out and block them, really, your doing us a favour by finding us more open proxies to block! Sasquatcht|c 05:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm sure this goes without saying, but just so everyone is clear: this anonymous user has been making these "last warning" about being "blocked from editing Wikipedia" threats against practically anyone who edits this article for at least a couple months now. Given that I've never been blocked from Wikipedia, I assert that this is a completely empty threat, and would like to let the users above know that this threat shouldn't deter them from making good-faith edits to this article. Colin M. 07:28, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Heh, nevermind, not open (i don't think, but they do have port 8080 open for some weird reason) but blocked anyways for repeated vandalism. Sasquatcht|c 20:27, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tin-foil hat

Greetings. The "Frey effect" or "Microwave auditory effect" is a real effect. I can understand that some believers in government mind control conspiracy will have a field day with it. I have experienced the effect first-hand for decades, and I have so far detected no attempts of using this effect for anything. Quite the contrary. Various computer screens (CRT) and mobile phone (GSM) antennas on roof tops and WaveLAN (IEEE 802.11) antennas (esp. Apple AirPort) are for me the most disturbing sources of this electrosmog. For those who experience this effect, the reference to "tinfoil hat" is less than useful. Note that aluminum foil is almost transparent in radio spectrum due to it permittivity. OTOH, I have tried EMF safety garments from EMF Safety Superstore with some success. Theoretically, I can imagine someone might attempt to use the effect for mind control, but it appears rather farfetched. Wikiborg 2005-11-10 10 21:23:14 +0100.

Well, the reason tinfoil hat is linked in the See Also section is a little ironic. A lot of the material has actually been salvaged from the contributions of a believer in mind-control conspiracies who added "tinfoil hat" himself as, presumably, what he believed to be a means of protection from the "beams of muons" he thought were being used to control him and others. Much of his original research had to be taken out of the article, of course, but he himself demonstrated that there was a relevant connection between the two -- namely, that a tinfoil hat was regarded to be protection from the mind-control possibilities of the Frey effect, by those of course who believed that such mind-control possibilities were being used. -- Antaeus Feldspar 01:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Interesting.
Microwaves can be transmitted as a beam much like ultrasound usied in the HyperSonic Sound technology. Thus, theoretically, it could be for hypnosis of a subject during sleep. A comparable method has been tried with moderate success in hypnopedia. Those who feel they have reason for concern would want to install TEMPEST shielding around their sleeping quarters. Might this of relevance to tinfoil hat? -- Wikiborg
Hmmmm, TEMPEST certainly looks like at least something that should get a "See Also" link from tinfoil hat]. We'd have to be careful in going farther than that not to wander into original research, though. -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:32, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
  • he believed to be a means of protection from the "beams of muons" he thought were being used to control him
Anteus, this piece of blattant lies from you is simply an outrage! I never pretended that a simple tin foil hat could block the beams of muons used by the CIA (invasive stupidity deleted), but did mention instead the deep mine shielding and the the deep space shielding. Sub-atomic particle psychotronic carrier such as mesons are way too penetrating to be stop by such a thin foil of aluminium.--219.76.154.49 08:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gay bomb/Homokaasu

Why are these linked from the "See also" section? As far as i can tell, they don't even have the tenuous relevence that Tinfoil hat has. Can they be removed?

[edit] Neutrinos, &c.

Article says: "While the USSR is supposed to have concentrated their effort in the microwave band of the spectrum, frequencies that can be easily thwarted with conventional EMF shielding like Faraday Cage or Tempest, it is highly suspected that the US might have explored and mastered more exotic, ground penetrating, metal penetrating long range carriers, possibly neutrinos, muons or pions, allowing by the same time the achievement of even higher limit of resolution." I don't know much about particle physics, but I know enough to know that these claims of using neutrinos, muons or pions are utterly preposterous and impossible. How, tell me, is any device to generate and direct these particles for use in a weapon supposed to work? And how are they (especially neutrinos) supposed to have a biological effect? The whole thing just sounds like incoherent conspiracy theory nonsense. --SJK 12:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does. I removed "pions neutrinos, etc." linas 00:56, 29 March 2006 (UTC)