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[edit] Maternal Polish ancestry?!

What's the source of this information? Come on people, do a search on the net: everyone's copied THIS wikipedia article as a source... I think it's wrong. What's the origin of this? What did Mick say about this? I doubt it's true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.92.5.223 (talk) 14:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Penis Size

Is a discussion of his penis size really appropriate material to include in an encyclopedia? Seems like the kind of dumb thing a 14 yearold would consider important information.

Wait, but how big is it??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.4.74.16 (talk) 22:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strangely Short

This article seems strangely short for one of the most important figures in popular music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.86.153 (talk) 04:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The Stones merit far more text than they have received in Wikipedia.jeanne (talk) 14:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket

I note that there is not much about cricket on Mick Jagger's page, despite him being instrumental in setting up some broadcasts of cricket in the past. Someone should perhaps do some research on this (I will if I have time as primarily a cricket fan and secondarily a stones fan) and this should really almost have its own section in the main article. I came to this thanks to "satisfaction" being the featured article for this day.

Soarhead77 10:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VANDALISM

i don't really know how to revert the page, but it was clearly badly vandalised. This is how it begins "Sir Benjamin Bruce "Ben" Jagger, KBE (born December 28, 1988) is an English rock musician, actor, songwriter, record and film producer, and businessman." Can someone please do something about it ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.106.43.93 (talk • contribs) 17:59, December 1, 2006 (UTC)

This has been dealt with. A number of people, myself included, watch this page to fix its frequent vandalism. By the way, pls sign and timestamp your posts by using 4 tildes (~) after your comments. Also why not Create an account instead of being a number? Tks/cheers, Ian Rose 01:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] children and marriage

Very little information on children and marriage. No mention of any romance after Bianca, nor any of the children by Jerry Hall. Also does not mention illegitimate children. Biography is very incomplete in other areas as well. I suggest a revision of articles and more inclusive information.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22Marianne+Faithfull%22+%22Mars+Bar%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

[edit] Okaay

The Rolling Stones have never been accused by anyone of intelligence or value of being detrimental to development of rock'n'roll or unconcerned with "making audiences dance," etc. This is a frivolous inclusion. I should also note that people seem to go out of their way to include slanderous and often ridiculous rumors and controversies about the Stones on the Jagger page, while offering nothing but praise and admiration on the Richards page. Can someone back me up here. I tried to rennovate the entire section about controversy which was totally moronic and poorly written and biased, but someone just vetoed me, saying I didn't site reasons, even though I spent 20 minutes writing a long and detailed set of reasons (below).

[edit] Re-write

The thing about "Controversy" over Jagger being a "poseur" is totally ridiculous; if that was included in an actual rock encyclopedia, the book would be laughed out of publication. Jagger's image is of a "hard-living tough guy"?? Is this a joke? He's one of the wealthiest celebrities in the world and has been for 40 years. I'm really, really tired of people having a go at Mick Jagger while drooling all over Keith Richards feet because he did a lot of drugs and is more musically conservative. Yes, all of the stuff in this article is presented without POV, but people seem to think that if you don't explicitly reflect your own opinion and just include other people's opinions from over the years, then it's okay to say whatever you like. The inclusion of so many silly, contemptuous rumors about a rock star clearly reflects a bias. Encyclopedia articles shouldn't reflect the vague, esoteric opinions of uninformed, narrow-minded music fans and slavish pop culture junkies; Jagger's contributions to the Stones are at least equal to Richards', and furthermore, his "image", which I think is written here by someone who dislikes both Jagger and homosexuals, is horribly presented, to the point of being amateurishly hilarious. The thing about Bowie, for example, is an obscure and unsubstantiated 40-year old rumor about a man who is quite obviously heterosexual. Anyone who asserts that there is even a strong possibility that Jagger is homosexual has no conception of journalism, sexuality, the media, or reality. Tabloid garbage. The whole thing about Altamont was unnecessarily detailed and totally incongruous; a tiny faction of ignorantly hysterical, forgotten journalists claimed for a tiny period of about one week in 1970 that the Stones had incited the violence at Altamont, but this doesn't merit more than a mention in a section about "controversy." In fact, the whole controversy section itself is total garbage, as it seems to imply that Jagger is an unpopular, publically scorned, and closeted homosexual poseur. The tabloid scandals and his feud with Richards merit some mention, but as it is I get the impression that there are people who really hate Jagger, which is sort of inexplicable to me because as far as millionare rock stars go, he's not particularly hateable and hasn't been involved in any major scandals. I'm in no mood to rennovate the whole article, but I really think it needs to be completely rewritten; I've at least rewritten the totally amateurish introduction and deleted the idiotic controvery section, but I'd urge intelligent, informed readers to contribute more to this article, as it's of exceptionally poor and inconsistent quality, especially when placed next to the glowing, affectionate, and aggressively maintained Keith Richards page.

Playing rock consistently for so many decades strikes me as the opposite of poseur. Not to mention that they are the Rolling Stones. Rigmarole 17:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

"Often regarded as the greatest front man in the history of rock and roll" That sounds kind of POV to me. In fact, how the hell is that not POV? THere should be at least a few sources to back that line up, otherwise that first bit just sounds like a fanboy rant. Chewbacca1010 23:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
One only needs to attend a Rolling Stones concert as well as watch videos of their earlier concerts to back that up.There isn't one rock singer who is more charismatic, sardonic, sexually exciting, energetic and symbolic of rock and roll than Mick Jagger.And this comes from an ardent Keith Richards fan!!!jeanne (talk) 14:35, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speculated rumours: Bowie, John

Errr, and what about the speculated rumours about his homosexual relationships with aspiring male singers of the time such as the likes of David Bowie, Elton John, etc. ? Eric July 1, 2005 21:01 (UTC)

From what I read... David Bowie's then-wife Angela stated that she came home once to find Mr. Bowie and Mick Jagger sleeping in the same bed, both naked, but they vehemently denied any sexual activity ([1]), but I have not heard anything about Elton John being involved with Jagger. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) July 2, 2005 05:46 (UTC)
However, Eric, if you can cite a source for your Elton John rumour, please post it. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 08:00, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

This page definetly needs to be expanded, this is almost a skeleton article with nothing in it.

The page says this, and it's very conofusing: Jones left the band in early 1969 and accidentally drowned in his swimming pool only weeks later (though rumours persist that he was murdered or had committed suicide).

[edit] Album note out of place with "Children and marriages"

"In May 1971 he married Bianca Perez Morena de Macias, and she gave birth to their daughter, Jade Jagger, later that same year, the same year the band released Sticky Fingers, one of their most popular albums." -- I though that the mention of the album was out of place in the section on "Children and marriages", so moving it to Talk page for now. -- 17 Feb 2006

[edit] Revision needed to Children and Marriages section by a Principal Author

I would strongly encourage one of the Principal authors to take a look at the Muhammed Ali article. There is a wonderful table which tells which kid belongs to what wife, the years of their relationship, etc. This would be a very easy way to clean up this section that so desperately needs it.

This is a really good idea. Vivek 07:38, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latest edit

I removed the part of the following sentence after "David Bowie". (original sentence:Also, it is said that such dalliances fight rumors of alleged homosexuality (especially with David Bowie) and claims that he is ugly and, more recently, over-the-hill).

Being ugly clearly is in the eye of the beholder. How would it seem if I added to the Britney Spears page "she is totally unsexual"? POV. Jagger is over the hill, he isn't exactly a youth. The "dalliances with women" part bothers me a bit for two reasons. The Stones aren't the first to use marketing -after all they don't really need it- and Mick had plenty of chances to enjoy female company. He fills arenas for a living after all. Rigmarole 17:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Main photo

Does anyone have something better than a photograph of a waxwork (which isn't even a very good likeness)? 217.155.20.163 21:59, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

With you there, looks like someone's idea of a bad joke. If there's no public domain shot of him around, suggest one of his solo album covers would be the way to go. Happy to do that in next few days if no-one has a better suggestion. Cheers, Ian Rose 03:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds good here. Cheers. --Doug (talk) 21:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


I was wondering how to add photos, I have a really good picture of Jagger at the Rock and Roll Circus in 1968 but I dont remember where I downloaded it from, and was wondering if someone could help. Silly Stone August 2007

[edit] Photo added

Someone asked on the Keith richards page to help this article out, so I added pictures, minor edits and some organization but it still is a pretty weak article.--Mikerussell 04:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Well done stepping in with the Rolling Stone pic - beats the Wandering Spirit cover, which is where I was going to go out of desperation if no-one came up with anything better. Re. content, yes it does seem a poor relation compared to the Richards page but perhaps that's reflecting public attitudes to the pair, as others have alluded to on this very page - Keef's just got the street cred Mick lacks, apparently. Not sure what I can contribute personally beyond copyedits as I'm a Stones fan who's not overly interested in either bloke solo but if I get inspired, who knows...? Cheers, Ian Rose 04:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Mike, just having a quick squiz at your further additions today, the article as a whole looks a good deal better than before. However some References would give it more cred. Are there particular books you can include as sources? Ian Rose 04:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Lika a lot Stones fans, I have a hard time warming up to Jagger, and really wouldn't cross the street to meet the chap probably, which is odd because I spent my youth often trying to find the exact room Richards got busted in at the Harbour Castle hotel in Toronto. Despite Richards outlaw image, he seems to have acquired a subtle wisdom about life and Jagger is a perpetual immature teen. But you can't deny how big Jagger has played in the band, so I thought I would try to fix thengs up a bit here. My sources for my edits were these 3:
  • BBC news release
  • A documentary called Being Mick (not very good) aired on the American based cable network A&E last month (stuff about parents and grandfather being teachers)
  • 1995 Rolling Stone interview with Jann Wenner- Stuff about not reading music, and parents disapproval, etc.
Thing about "close to 400 songs" is that Jagger said in the press that the Stones can chose to play from 400 songs when the Chinese gov't banned 5 in Shanghai, thus I deduced close to 400 since they play many covers but mostly their own.
Anything else I just picked up over the years.--Mikerussell 17:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit

"In fact, Jagger said in a 1995 Rolling Stone magazine interview, Jones was one of the worst songwriters he has ever known." Jagger actually said that he had "never known anyone with less talent for writing songs"--which isn't the same thing as saying that Jones was a horrible songwriter--the implication being that Jones was unable to contribute to songwriting efifectively, not that he did write songs and they were bad. I removed the sentence because it has pretty strong implications that weren't totally accurate or necessary.

[edit] Cavern

Did Mick Jagger, living in London, student, frequented clubs such as the Cavern Club, located in Liverpool, which is very far from london? I propose to replace it (in few days) with London clubs, such Marquee, and Korner's Ealing Club. Vegetarien75 81.57.58.133 08:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I replace clubs such as the Cavern Club with clubs such as the famous Marquee Club or The Ealing Club

French user:Vegetarien75 81.57.58.133 09:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sympathy

I'd replace the line they dropped "Sympathy for the Devil" from their tour set lits for several years after the incident with they dropped "Sympathy for the Devil" from their 75's US live set lists.. They played it on the 1970's european tour and the 71's UK tour; they play it again everywhere after the 1975's US tour. You can check it on many RS dedicated web sites.

a french RS fan : Vegetarien75 81.57.58.133 09:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kabbala

You may also want to change the word "church." Kabbala is taught in a Centre. Kabbala is Jewish mysticism and would never be taught in a church that I know of.


Might want to change the wording on 'joined the Kabbala religion'. Contrary to what tabloid shows like Hollywood Access or ET or even Madonna would have you believe, Kabbala is not a religion but a mystical tradition within a religion - Judaism. Might reword it to: 'started practising...' or 'studying the popularised trend espoused by the Kabbala Centre...', etc. Remember, the Kabbala Centre is about as Jewish as the Hare Krishna's are Hindu. Khirad 02:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources and references

This is such an interesting article about someone who is, after all, an important public and cultural figure, that I would love to see more references,citations, sources...which it direly lacks. I am interested in editing it, but the combination of the sheer amount of information it contains and the lack of available sources makes this a daunting task. Hence the template. Veduny 19:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Knighthood

Do we have any information about his knighthood such as order or degree? MBE? OBE? CBE? Other? — Ultor_Solis • T 17:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It currently links to Knight bachelor and he is in the cat so I presume this is what he is. He would have to be KB or KBE or GBE to use sir anyway. The absence of any posnominal letters would indicate he is not part of the OBE Nil Einne 01:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The phrase "his anti-establishment stance" must be one of the best instances of unintended irony to be found at Wikipedia, given the fact that the first thing Jagger used to grab on the tour plane happened to be his pocket calculator, at least according to Truman Capote in "Conversations with Capote". Still, I must admit that no-one can sing "Heart of Stone" the way he does. Frank Landsman (talk) 13:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Any substantive knighthood, including knight bachelor, entitles the person to use "Sir". The only knights who don't get to be "Sir" are those who get honorary knighthoods. On the other hand, even honorary knights can use whatever postnominals are appropriate. Knight bachelors don't have any postnominals. That's why Mick Jagger is "Sir Mick Jagger" (with no postnominal), but Bob Geldof is "Mr Bob Geldof KBE". -- JackofOz (talk) 14:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Racist

Somebody could add that he did a song with Peter Tosh as an argument against racism. Tosh was also an opening act for some of his concerts --ቢትወደድ 16:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Goddessdoorway.jpg

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[edit] Trivia

RVed ref to being in "All You Need Is Love" global link video - so were a lot of people, sure it'd be mentioned in the relevant article. Cheers, Ian Rose 02:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth's Place of Birth

This article states that Elizabeth Jagger was born in London, whereas her own article states that she was born in New York. Can anyone verify this in either direction? Roche-Kerr 01:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Jade was born 21 October 1971 at Belvedere Nursing Home in Paris.Christopher Andersen states this clearly in hid biography of Mick.Anyway,I remember when it was announced on radio that Mick's child was born and the DJ said "Paris".jeanne (talk) 14:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)::Sorry about the above.I got Elizabeth confused with Jade. Elizabeth was born in New York at Lenox Hill Hospital.Sourced from Christopher Andersen's biography " Mick Jagger" published in 1993.jeanne (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stage presence and mannerisms

This may not be a totally unnecessary section, but I think phrases like "In the last decade he's grown more likely to prance than run, but even in his sixties, Jagger can't seem to stand still" don't read too well in an encyclopedia. I think it either needs cleaning up or it could be deleted and anything from it thought to be truly indispensable integrated elsewhere, perhaps? Soulsonic Bambaataa 20:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Heh, you'd get no argument from me, I was the one who tagged it back in February... Cheers, Ian Rose 13:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] penis enlargement

How come there is no mention of Jagger using bees to sting his penis in order to make it bigger? [2] LOL @ JAGGER Tapir 01:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

An encyclopedia is hardly the place to talk about a person's penis. Perhaps you could find the answer in one of the more lurid tabloids.jeanne (talk) 14:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

The article has been vandalized by someone recently--it now reads:

Mick has died a long time ago and the person you see on stage is just his corpse on strings like a puppet. A Mick puppet.

Can someone report this to Wikipedia, and restore the article?--Schroeder74 02:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Done - FYI, you don't have 'report' things to Wikipedia as such - editors notice things like this pretty quickly... Cheers, Ian Rose 02:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Private life & public image

So now we have nothing in this becuase it offends some obscure Wiki guideline and Sir Mick and his children need to be protected from identity theft. Suggest something needs to be here, at least of a basic factual nature, or delete the heading completely?--Egghead06 (talk) 09:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

The whole thing is complete bull. There's nothing wrong with listing his wives and children. The only thing is that it needs to have a reference. So add what needs to be added, just make sure there's a source. Stan weller (talk) 10:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Bisexuality

I think someone needs to add the fact the Mick does happen to be openly bisexual. I have sources right here:

http://www.amazon.com/Mick-Jagger-Story-Behind-Rolling/dp/1559721928 http://www.teenwire.com/infocus/2002/if-20020724p147.php http://www.nndb.com/people/478/000024406/


99.237.73.149 (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I think we'd need better sources than those. The amazon link for one only mentions that the author hints at bisexuality. The other two sources don't mention why they think Mick Jagger's bisexual or cite any sources. We'd need something solid, like a quote from Jagger saying he's been attracted to guys or proof that he slept with guys. 151.203.182.253 (talk) 07:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mick Jaggers photo

hey thanks for changing his picture. :D:D:D AND WHAT THE HECK I DOUBT MICK JAGGER IS BISEXUAL

It's astonishing that anyone thinks it's important in 2008. Goodness, is that the time already? --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 01:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)