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  • Oppose for now, due to grammar concerns. I'll post them as I find them. Examples:
    • "From Mario, the game had extensive areas of platform jumping, and from Zelda, non-linear exploration, but Metroid decidedly differs from those games in its atmosphere of solitude and foreboding." Doesn't flow correctly, should clarify "the game".
    • The lead doesn't really summarize the entire article, and is rather short. What about the adaptations? And is there anything on the cultural impact of the series?
    • In terms of sources about the games, the Metroid retrospective could provide some more info.
I know you are a featured article creator extrordinare these days, but are you sure Gametrailers is a reliable source? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
It is when I say it is! :P No, if it's the work of GT staff it is, I believe (like the Metroid, LoZ, Final Fantasy retrospectives, et al)- but user videos are definitely not included. Still, a fair question; perhaps we should ask at VT:VG. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 01:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
    • "The Metroid series currently consists of ten games across different video game platforms" - why not mention them, i.e. "The Metroid series consists of ten games spanning Nintendo platforms from the [etc]"
    • "...that had no distinction between music and sound effects" - this last clause is tacked on, rephrase so it's clear that "score" is the subject/noun in question.
    • "The Metroid series has been noted and praised for its unique style of video game music." this should have multiple citations to back it up.
  • Oppose, 1a. The article is thorough, but lacks fit and finish and a professional standard of prose. I note that you have not gotten a peer review, which should have been done before coming here. The article needs a thorough copyedit by an uninvolved editor. Some examples follow:
    • The hatnote/disambig link and all the SR stuff needs addressing. I'm guessing the actual name of the planet is "SR338" (although you write it different ways within the article) but "SR338" redirects to List of highways numbered 338. So you took the leftovers and redirected them here? The better solution would be to have all variants redirect to a disambiguation page that points them to the highway article or here. You can't guess if someone typing those in would be looking for a Metroid article or a highway article.
    • In the lead you are mixing verb tenses: "Metroid combined..." and "The series features..." They should probably all be present tense.
    • "The Metroid series consists of ten games spanning Nintendo platforms from the [etc]" Looks like a remnant of the first sentence in the next paragraph.
    • "The Metroid series currently consists of ten games spanning Nintendo Platforms from the Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo, Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, GameCube, and Wii." Grammar.. a "from" without a "to".
    • "Samus Aran has also been featured in many other Nintendo produced games..." Second "also" in a row. "Nintendo-produced" should be hyphenated.
    • "Metroid has had several games adapted into manga comics and a live-action movie was at one point in development." Metroid had the games adapted, or Nintendo did? The live-action clause needs a rewrite.
This is just the lead, but is indicative of problems throughout. --Laser brain (talk) 19:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Lately, peer reviews are an exercise in futility, and I wont be blamed for not utilizing them until they start being useful. As for the rest copyediting, I will get on it. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a new list of PR volunteers that you can tap once listed at PR: also see WP:FCDW/March 17, 2008 for helpful tips on how to get PR to work more effectively (you've got to recruit :-). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I meant to mention that. Since putting my name on the list a couple weeks ago I've already been tapped for 3-4 peer reviews that I would not have sought on my own. I got a peer review on one of my own articles by asking at a WikiProject and offering help in return. The benefit of a peer review is that you get your own tired eyes off the article and some fresh ones on, which this article needs. --Laser brain (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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If I think of anything else, I drop a word. igordebraga ≠ 03:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments from Ealdgyth (talk · contribs)

I just looked at sources, and reviewed like I would have for an FAC. (April 13, 2008)

  • The last paragraph should be merged into the beginning of the first paragraph. I would also tweak it some as it the same content is repeated in "Creation and design" later on. "The original Metroid was influenced byfeatured gameplay elements from two other major Nintendo franchises, Mario, from which it borrowed extensive areas of platform jumping, and The Legend of Zelda, from which it borrowed platform jumping and non-linear exploration, respectively."
Recurring characters
  • Character names should not be italicized.
  • I would also mention which games the characters appear in the first couple of sentences of their paragraphs; to help give a more out-of-universe perspective.
Protagonists
  • Samus Aran needs more information, not a lot though. It looks unbalanced compared to the other content about the characters.
  • Minor tweaks: "The Galactic Federation is as its name suggests, the governing body of the galaxy. The GF, and was formed after numerous space-faring species made contact, and t. The subsequent cultural convergence led to rapid technological advancements."
Antagonists
  • Minor tweaks: "The antagonists of the Metroid series, theA hostile group known as Space Pirates serve as the antagonists of the Metroid series. They are a hostile group of "interstellar nomads" resembling..."
  • Given that the series is named after them, I would consider moving the paragraph about the Metroids to the first paragraph of this section.
Story
  • I would switch this section over to regular paragraph form instead of using bullets and further condense the information.
  • Another reason to switch over is it mimics the "Games" sections in appearance.
History
  • I would at least briefly mention Metroid II in this section.
Audio
  • The game titles need to be italicized.
Live-action movie
  • I would trim down the mention of the April Fools Joke. "On April 1, 2005, IGN posted an April Fools' Day article reporting that critically panned director Uwe Boll would be directing the Metroid movie, with Samus herself being portrayed by Michelle Rodriguez, despite her opinion that the GameCube was a "machine for kids". The supposed movie, with a $19 million budget, would not follow the games' storylines; and would featureinstead, it would have Samus, a "scientist for the government," donning a Power Suit to defend Earth from alien invaders in the near future, in a plot similar to that of Half-Life. At the end of the "report," however, Casamassina reveals the whole article was an April Fools Joke."
Reception
  • Move the "EGM chosing Super Metroid as the best game" a little further down the paragraph.
  • I'm not sure what this part in the music reception is suppose to convey. I'd tweak/reword it some. "...design on the GameCube, and composer Kenji Yamamoto utilizes heavy drums, piano, voiced chants, clangs of pipes, and electric guitar."
  • Combine the last two paragraphs into one larger paragraph to balance the section.
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[edit] FA preparations

Things to do to be ready for FA....

  • Check the fair use rationales, make sure they are specific as to why they are being used, not just "they show the game", but "what they show about the game"
  • Go through and put citation needed next to any unsourced statements
  • Get references for them
  • Expand the audio, development, reception sections
  • copyedit the article twice
  • FAC

Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Is that logo on the top of the page really an official logo and not fan created one. I've never seen it. --Mika1h (talk) 21:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I am not really sure, it could be fan created, though I feel like I've seen it before....are there any other images that would be legitimate lead images? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
When you think METROID, what is the first thing that comes to mind? Whatever you think of is what should be in the lead. If you need a Metroid logo, here is a nice one for metroid prime: http://chrono.lunar-net.com/cd/dp/metroid/Prime-logo-1280.jpg. Epass (talk) 21:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to, but wouldn't it be weird to have a sub series logo as the whole series logo? Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I prefer to have a logo in the lead, I just think that an official series logo would be preferable. If there isn't one, maybe someone could photoshop "Prime" text out of that picture? I don't think it's a subseries logo wouldn't matter much since if you look at the main series cover art pictures, there isn't any consistent logo. --Mika1h (talk) 23:34, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Metroid Wikia uses cropped Metroid Prime 3 logo: http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Metroid_logo.png --Mika1h (talk) 21:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
How does it look? I like it, it will probably pass too. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
It looks good, I would prefer it over the current one we have. Oh, you changed it already, good job. --Mika1h (talk) 23:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Samus's voice

Hey could somebody please add in somewhere that the only places samus talks are in super smash bros brawl and In metroid fusion? and the only place you can hear samus's voice is in brawl when you push up taunt? im not sure where to stick this info in, so could someone please put it in the article? thanks.

66.94.9.52 (talk) 08:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I think that's more appropriate for Samus's page alone. It doesn't seem relevant enough for this page. --Martonimos (talk) 07:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
More BS being spread by wikipedia. Samus also speaks in Super Metroid. Start a new game, and you hear a digitised voice which is supposed to represent Samus. Jeez Louise! If I had a penny for everytime someone posted wrong information Wiki, I would literally, yes, quite literally, own the world economy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.73.146.183 (talk) 00:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
That is a mans voice at the opening, and was spoken by an employee of Nintendo. If you read the article and its sources, you would know that. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Metroid music

The article states that "At all other times, no melodies are present in the game," and references this interview with the original game's composer as its source. However, every area except for Tourian has a very distinctive musical theme. Despite the composer's statements, the notion that "no melodies are present in the game" should be removed from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.243.239.132 (talk) 16:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I think he's making a fine distinction, and not saying there is no music in the game at all. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ridley Kraid and Mother Brain articles...

What happened to the Ridley Kraid and Mother Brain articles? They were very good and informative. Now they've all been lumped together in a big mess. There isn't even an imagine for them anymore. I suggest we give them their own article again. Aragorn245 (talk) 01:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Those articles had no notability through reliable sources WP:RS, so it was merged in here which will be hopefully featured soon.. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 01:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Super Metroid Guardians

I edited the Guardians' names in the Story section of the article.

I can hardly believe that nobody else noted that there was a terrible mistake in the names: Phantoon is NOT one of the Guardians, but Crocomire is. It's easily verifiable by looking at the statues blocking the entrante to Tourian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.31.85.106 (talk) 23:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Here are the statues. Ridley's on top, Kraid's on the left, Draygon's on the right, and Phantoon's in the center. Crocomire is nowhere to be seen. I believe you may be mixing up your names. Arrowned (talk) 02:32, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Antagonist is a mess!

The Antagonist paragraph is a mess! I can't tell where one thought begins, and another ends. It needs cleaned up badly.

Also, could we put in some pictures for the more important character, such as Ridley, Kraid, and Dark Samus? Aragorn245 (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Using a few pictures would be great, although to keep the article from getting cluttered, one picture will probably be all that can be used.Abodos (talk) 00:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)