Talk:Mercury Prize

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[edit] move page

Given its official renaming, I propose moving this page to Mercury Prize. DJR (T) 22:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Or Nationwide Mercury Prize? Corebowe 22:05, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
The Nationwide sponsorship is only a temporary feature - the sponsors change every few years as illustrated in the article. I personally don't like having sponsors in article titles on Wikipedia in any case. Continue discussion on below though. DJR (T) 22:11, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Mercury Music Prize → Mercury Prize – The official name of the Prize has been changed, so the article name should be changed to reflect this. The target article is currently a redirect to the instance article, so administator assistance would be required. DJR (T) 22:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

  • Support - Good point made about sponsorship changing, so I support the move. Corebowe 22:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, should be at the current official name. Recury 17:03, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support, major sources are already calling the Mercury Prize, most omitting the Nationwide part. Stu ’Bout ye! 21:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

  • Re-listing the request. --Dijxtra 17:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
  • The move succeeded. --Dijxtra 08:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

"the shortlist has often been perceived as a desperate attempt by the panel to appear "cool" regardless of what the actual public's interests are. This occurred particularly in 1999, when Black Star Liner and Talvin Singh, who had been shoehorned into a non-existent "movement" created by the music press called Asian Underground[citation needed], were selected for the shortlist. The latter's album Ok went on to win the prize, yet was bought by few consumers."

This totally ignores the entire point of the MMP, which is not simply to reflect sales or populist interest. calling it 'an attempt to look cool' is rubbish, stuff like "M People" and "Antony and the Johnsons" aren't typically cool; they'd vote with the NME crowd if that was the case. it is, i believe, an attempt for them to honestly pick what they believe is the best british album of the year- sidestepping effects of marketing, (media) hype, and trying to keep an open mind etc. no, the system isn't perfect, tell me one that is. yes they made mistakes (M People over Blur's "Parklife", being the clear example), and no one has the same opinion.. but bashing it purely because it doesn't reflect mass opinion is NPOV, when this fact has already been stated. No 'credible' music award reflects 'mass opinion'. They are mutually exclusive. ~ Bungalowbill

Agreed. Annihilatenow 16:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Compilation Albums

Why are there no articles on the compilation albums? These are released every year and should have their own articles. UncleMontezuma 08:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Accessibility

Signifying winners in bold only is not accessible - some people may have DOS-style monitors, or be hearing the page through an aural browser. We need to use a more explicit signifier, such as an asterisk, listing them first, or using the word "winner" in brackets after the succesful candidate's name. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 13:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spam

User:Indiesaur is adding links to http://albumofthemonth.com/. This seems to be a purely commercial amazon.com affiliate, and adds nothing as an external link or source. Therefore, it is purely spam. I'm not going to breach 3RR, so if anyone agrees with me could they remove the links. Stu ’Bout ye! 14:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I just removed such links from Dizzee Rascal (added by User:Bramblemuncher), Myths of the Near Future (album) (added by User:Innkeeperage) and Kate Bush (added by User:Iloveleaves. There seem to be a lot of drive-by sockpuppets involved.
Use [1] to find other article where links to this site have been planted (currently, there are over 140 of them). Regards, High on a tree 14:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Ugh, I'm not doing that manually! I'll try and get my AWB up and running later. Never used it though, so I'm not sure it can even do this. Stu ’Bout ye! 15:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I see you've started removing them. I'll have ago as well. Stu ’Bout ye! 15:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I believe User:Rennybarker is also involved, links added to Muse for example, for which they were warned -- M2Ys4U (talk) 16:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I've been reverting a fair few of these. Don't worry. It'll get sorted. :) --SteelersFan UK06 01:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
It is on the spam blacklist now, and all links removed. Stu ’Bout ye! 13:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to everybody who worked to get this resolved. I was a bit sceptical at first if this is a case for blacklisting, but considering that the spammer has been active at least since June 2007, and promptly reinserted removed links yesterday and today I think it is an appropriate measure. (Btw note the care he took to always select the previously used sockpuppet for each article [2], [3] [4], [5], ...) If more of those links crop up in other language Wikipedias, it might even be a case for the Mediawiki spam blacklist on meta. Regards, High on a tree 23:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winners?

Lets have a list of the winners as well as the shortlists. On my browser (safari, mac OSX) the winners do not appear in bold as stated ~~

[edit] A Hotel Overlooking The Pentagon?

There is a problem with this paragraph;

"The 2001 awards were held on September 11, and when it was announced that PJ Harvey had won the prize for her album Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea, Harvey herself was staying in a hotel in Washington DC which overlooked The Pentagon, which had been hit by one of the hijacked aeroplanes."

I am pretty sure that this is impossible. The Pentagon is not in DC, nor is it visible from DC. It is across the Potomac River in Arlington Virginia, which is where I grew up. That neighborhood is called "Pentagon City" but the only highrise there that's close enough to the Pentagon to actually "overlook" it is one of the three River House Apartment buildings, which is on a hill. These condos are where my grandma lived from before I was born until her death, in 2005. The nearest hotels would have their view of the Pentagon blocked by an elevated highway. The combination of the highway and the shape of the landscape itself block the view of the Pentagon from almost all vantage points in the "Pentagon City" neighborhood except for that one apartment building on the hill and a tiny corner of it's lawn which is at the apex of the hill, which is the highest piece of ground by far in the area. Otherwise the Pentagon is hidden from view by the highways that encircle it, unless you are in a car on the highway itself. I am currently living in California, so I can't confirm this for Wikipedia right now. However, I think that my memory as a person who grew up in the neighborhood is more accurate than that uncited anonymous assertion. Many people claim to have witnessed dramatic things on 9/11 that they could not have possibly seen. For accuracy's sake that paragraph should be removed, unless someone in the DC Metro area looks and reports back to Wikipedia that it is even physically possible for that to have happened. Is there a hotel in Arlington where you can actually look out and see the Pentagon from the windows? I think not.

Fritzflohr (talk) 11:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)