Talk:Men's rights/Archive 1

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[edit] recent edits

I've just done a major rework of the article. It now has a structure (which I am happy to admit is debatable, e.g. I think a history section would be nice). I also included a lot of critical positions, which lacked in the article. I feel it now has a good balance of men's rights concerns and their critics issues. I've deleted some of the links in the external link section, just because there were too many. I tried to take out redundant ones that didn't look very authoritative in the first place and those that are already in the article. Still, the link section needs more cleanup and could use some more good critical links. I hope you like my edit. bastel 06:13, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

This is a useful page outlining some major concerns raised by the Men's Movement. This movement consists of multiple organizations in the US, Canada, UK, continental Europe, Australia and New Zealand (to name just those of which I am personally aware). Because of the breadth of organisations that campaign for Men's Rights I suggest that the list of Men's Rights Organisations be arranged into sections.

Initially, I have created sections for International/US/Canada and Australia, but if those with knowledge of specific organisations could further divide the first section and add other sections that would be helpful. I have considerable first-hand experience with the Men's Rights movement in Australia, perhaps others could put up their hands with similar experience in other countries, so we can extend the information included here. Thanks everyone. -Akiva Quinn 02:45, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Great work on the link collection. It is, however, overburdening the artcle. I'd suggest moving it to a List of Men's rights organizations site. Also, the article needs structural reworking, cf. Wikipedia:How to write a great article, e.g. a lead section, somewhat longer paragraphs (some critical voices would be nice to).bastel 03:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV

Not sure about this, but it seems this page has a subtle POV to it.

e.g. "This can lead to the mistaken perception that such measures are anti-women."

I'm sure there are feminist groups out there who will argue that most of the claims made about discrimination again men are either false, blown out of all proportion, or fair. (note I'm not taking a stance on this issue). In saying that such perceptions are mistaken, wikipedia is taking sides in this dispute. Morwen - Talk 12:55, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

• a subtle POV is a very nice way of putting it: The Men's rights movement is viewed critically by major parts of the population and (even more so) academia. There's none of that in the article except for the above quoted. If anyone finds the time to fix this?bastel 03:12, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

"Many men's groups just represent abusive bullies and violent dangerous men. Many violent men expect all other men to support abusive men. Numerous self priclaimed "men's groups" just represent a pro violence agenda supporting domestic abuse, bullying, and glamorization of abusive men." Seems to be cited from some random uk site - www.lonympics.co.uk/new/ZMensgroups.htm. The ranting author uses horrible english, even for a brit: "And no this is not a joke if you thjink this is a joke you are rerally dangerous, and are toaly in need to being thorwn in jail for a life. Yet i know for a fact some shithead will act like i have sopmehting toally teffrriing or illogicla just because i ghave psone out again abuse. The next minute thos scum, will be beating their opwn wife face in." I hardly think this qualifies as a valid encyclopedic contribution. Any qualified professionals out there want to confirm my suspicions? --69.158.50.199 10:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)