Talk:Members Church of God International

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There seem to be two organizations called Church of God International. One being the Philippine one (which you seem to be familiar with), and another one being an unrelated splinter group of the Worldwide Church of God. Both should be mentioned in the article, as both exist. We also could make the page a disambiguity page (see Barrel for an example). But both should be mentioned. -- Chris 73 Talk 13:51, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

I have made Church of God International a disambig page, listing both Church of God International (Philippines) and Church of God International (USA). -- Chris 73 Talk 23:54, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Iglesia ni YHWH at ni YHWSA HMSYH

The name Iglesia ni YHWH at ni YHWSA HMSYH was deleted from the Tagalog version of the article. Does this mean that it’s not actually the church’s real name?

What're the English translations for the words 'YHWH' and 'YHWSA HMSYH'? And from what language did it come from? Just asking... Ü Zxyggrhyn 10:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contrary to NPOV Policy

This page clearly does not satisfy the Wikipedia NPOV policy. It is too laudatory of Eli Soriano and treats as accepted fact a number of things which are more religious screed than neutral, proven fact or accepted theory. For example, the statement "Soriano, who showed UNDENIABLE MASTERY of the Bible and SINCERE AFFECTION to the congregants, is [sic: was] being groomed by the old Perez to be his successor when he [sic: Perez] passed away." [emphasis added]. Jkaki00 13:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Reworded it. I agree, there is lots of POV on this article, I occasionally roll back some too extreme POV. Feel free to change it if you like -- Chris 73 | Talk 14:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Possible contradiction?

Under subheading "Teachings about the Church" are these two items:

  • Salvation can only be attained by following all the laws of Christ in the New Testament including joining the Members Church of God International.
  • A person may be saved even though he has not heard of the Gospel. He will be judged by God according to his conscience.

Only the latter has a source. Should the former be removed? 12.42.238.243 00:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not a contradiction, a person may be saved even though he has not heard of the Gospel.. It means that:
  • for those who had heard the Members Church of God International, there is no excuse for you not to join it.
  • for those whom have not heard the Members Church of God International and had passed away, God will judge him according to his conscience.

Dar book (talk) 02:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

So a person may be saved if (a) she follows "all the laws of Christ in the New Testament including joining the Members Church of God International", or if (b) she "has not heard of the Gospel" and is subsequently saved after judgment. Would you please explain how the existence of a second option does not conflict with the assertion that salvation can only be attained by the former? I will leave the statements unmodified for now, but one or both will need to be changed. Thanks. 12.42.238.243 (talk) 03:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Not all those who haven't heard of the gospel will be saved. God will judge him according to his consience and if the person was evil (e.g. a murderer) he will not be saved since he did not change his ways. Dar book (talk) 11:20, 16 January 2008 (UTC)