Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-12-04 Bosnian Mujahideen/archive001

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NOTE: Mediator Sdirrim (talk) commented the content of this section. It's still in the source for those who want to read it. However, I would like to "Take it from the top" and hear the story from the beginning. However, this should go on Talk:Bosnian Mujahideen.


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Acceptance of volunteer. Please indicate your agreement or disagreement with Vassyana assisting in this case:

  • Osli73 --
  • Grandy Grandy --
  • The Dragon of Bosnia --

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[edit] Discussion

Discussion goes on Talk:Bosnian Mujahideen.

Osli73 asked me to comment on this article and user:The Dragon of Bosnia has also placed a comment on my talk page.
user:The Dragon of Bosnia make a valid point when he/she/it says "think Osli73 should improve the existing articles, but creating a new article with the same topic and false terms in order to move edit war from the existing article to the new one isn't a good way for Wikipedia as it is WP:NOT content based on propaganda." because part of the arguments involved here is that of a WP:POVFORK. However the term Mujahideen was commonly used by the English media during the war and is a much more familiar term for the Mujahideen than "7th Muslim Brigade" much as the Eagle Squadron is much better known than No. 71 Squadron RAF note that both articles exist but the details of the American's contribution are the common name. So the Wikipedia:Naming conventions would indicate that a name with Mujahideen is more appropriate than the other suggested names. However I am going to put forward further arguments why I do not think that this is a WP:POVFORK but an issue of a related articles because I can see a reasonable argument for the existence of all three articles.
The term was and still is common coin in English language sources, for foreign fighters from Arab countries, Iran and Afghanistan who fought in Bosnia during the war for example:
There is probably a need for this article as it should not only cover a certain type of person who fought in the war, but it should also covers the wider issues thrown up by those fighters who settled in Bosnia and are (rightly or wrongly) of particular concern to Western Governments who see them as experienced fighters many of whom fought a proxy war for the West against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and may be sympathetic to Al-Qaeda. This concern puts this group of men in a very different category from other foreigners who fought in the Bosnian War and are not seen as a potential political and military threat by other governments.
Just because there are articles on The role of foreign fighters in the Bosnian war and 7th Muslim Brigade does not mean that there is not room for another article called Bosnian Mujahideen particularly one that emphasises the problems faced by the Mujahideen in Bosnia today. The article should also cover the political problems (both internal and internationally) faced by the Bosnian Government in allowing Mujahideen to remain in Bosnia, and also that the expulsion of some of them could be seen by cynics as covered by that old maxim: "No state has friends, only interests".
--Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 13:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Vassyana, thank you for volunteering to mediate on the Bosnian Mujahideen article. I appreciate you involvement. Please note that the discussion has been moved to the Bosnian Mujahideen talk page. I hope that we can pick up where we left and do not need to restate our claims and counterclaims.Osli73 (talk) 10:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I am reading over the discussions and the article to get a solid idea of what's going on, and who stands where. Give me a day or so to give it all a complete reading so I don't misunderstand anyone. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 11:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Vassyana, thank you very much for your help. Regards. The Dragon of Bosnia (talk) 13:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)