Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-10 The Black Parade
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[edit] Request Information
[edit] Who are the involved parties?
Main article contributors: Onathinwhiteline, Moralis, mcr616, Orfen
Daddy_Kindsoul, questioning the neutrality of the article
[edit] What's going on?
A couple of days ago, Daddy Kindsoul (hereafter 'Kindsoul' because I'm lazy) added a POV tag to the article. While there had been POV issues in the past, there was no ongoing discussion on the article's talk page (in fact, all such discussion was old enough to have been archived). Kindsoul didn't say anything about his addition of the tag, until prompted by mcr616. He then made several general statements, none of which constituted "actionable examples" as per WP:NPOVD. His position appears to be that the article makes the album sound like it was better-known or better-recieved than it actually was; as evidence of this he points to the album's poor performance at Rate Your Music.
All of the aforementioned main contributors asked for specific examples of where the article appears to talk the album up; Moralis also wrote a lengthy response to the use of Rate Your Music as a Wikipedia source. Daddy Kindsoul did not elaborate on his allegations of bias or NPOV, but he did defend Rate Your Music at length.
Over 24 hours after the fact, Moralis removed the tag, citing the lack of "actionable examples" as per NPOVD. Daddy Kindsoul put the tag back, citing an ongoing discussion and a lack of changes to remove "fanboy bias" from the article.
It's been another 24 hours. Daddy Kindsoul has not given actionable examples. However, he has replaced the tag (after mcr616 removed it) and referred to its removal as "simple vandalism," which stirred emotions a tad. I (Moralis) am trying very hard to assume good faith on Kindsoul's part, but at this point, I think I speak for all four of us when I say that we feel more harassed than anything.
[edit] What would you like to change about that?
Ideally, I would like Daddy Kindsoul (or somebody, at least) to provide us with examples of what we might change about the article. Our own discussion about the issue can be found on the article's talk page.
If that can't be done, I'd simply like to prevent this from escalating into an edit war over the POV tag.
