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Contents 1 Dari 2 proper name? 3 Alleged grave of Zoroaster 4 Removed photo of carpet 5 Regional Command North

[edit] Dari

Why should a discussion that belongs on the language page be here? The answer is that editors use ambiguous terms. The sentence originally read "The dominant language in Mazari Sharif is Dari with a Tajik majority population." The sentence now reads: "The dominant language in Mazari Sharif is Persian with a Tajik majority population.". If you are from Balkh Province and are a Tajik what do you call your language? --Bejnar (talk) 06:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

In Mazar and the rest of Balkh people call it Farsi. -- Kabul-Shahan2020 (talk) 20:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] proper name?

There was a discussion a year or more ago as to what the proper name for this city should be. User:Skinsmoke said "Mazari Sharif" was the name put forward by the Ministry of the Interior, and that is the name the article has been under, since then.

About a dozen alternate spellings redirect to "Mazari Sharif".

Yesterday, December 13, 2007, a no doubt well meaning contributor from an anonymous IP address redirected Mazari Sharif to Mazar-e Sharif.

I have no problem with renaming this article -- provided:

1. There is a discussion first, where the pros and cons of alternate titles are discussed, and the new name is the consensus decision.
2. When the rename is performed all the current redirections are changed to point to the new main name.

• The anonymous IP didn't try to initiate a discussion, let alone go with the consensus view.
• The anonymous IP didn't try to fix any of the double redirections -- even though the move page tells movers and shakers to do so.

So I reverted their move.

Unfortunately that required reverting two edits that had been done in the meantime.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 15:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

reverted again. Geo Swan (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alleged grave of Zoroaster

There are numerous passages in the article that suggest that Zoroaster is actually buried in the Mazar shrine rather than some historical figure. With regard to Ali, the passage reasonably notes that it would be impossible for his body to be taken from Iraq, where he died, to Afghanistan in a short period of time. Nevertheless, just because one disproves that Ali is not buried in Mazar does not automatically prove that Zoroaster is buried there instead. Although Zoroaster may have died in Balkh, I have yet to stumble upon a book, article, or report or any other literature that slightly even suggests that Zoroaster is buried in the shrine of Mazar. Scythian1 (talk) 15:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Zoroaster lived in Balkh, preached in balkh and died in balkh, why is it so hard to believe that he was not buried in Balkh, and why is it hard to believe the people did not create a shrine for him in Balkh? Why would any Persian under the sword of Islam, put in writing that Mazar is Zoroaster's grave, that would result in automatic destruction of the site. If somone dreamed that Ali was burried there perhaps was to protect the site from destruction, for most Zoroastrians believe Mazar is Zoroaster's grave. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.130.170 (talk) 08:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

To the above user who failed to sign his/her post: You are proffering faulty reasoning similiarly found in the article, and are positing unsupported conclusions based entirely on speculation. While Ferdowsi suggested that Zoroaster died in Balkh, there is absolutely nothing that even remotely alludes to Zoroaster being buried WITHIN the Mosque of Mazar. Indeed, you have not cited to any reliable source indicating that Zoroaster is buried in the Blue Mosque of Mazar commonly known as "Sakhi Jan." The proximity of a Zoroaster's death in Balkh to the city of Mazar, alone, does not establish such a conclusion that Zoroaster is buried inside Sakhi Jan. For instance, there were historical figures who lived and died in New York before Ulysses Grant, and whose precise resting places remain uncertain. Using your faulty reasoning, one can contend that anyone of those historical figures may be buried in Grant's tomb and not Ulysses Grant himself since that historical figure lived and died in New York. And even if one were to prove that Ulysses Grant was not buried in his tomb, that would not lead to the proposition that that historical figure is buried there since the argument is wholly speculative without reliably credible sources. Carefully read Wikipedia's demanding requirement on original research and its prohibition on speculation. Bias content accordingly removed. Scythian1 (talk) 02:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

So lets see we have historical record that Zoroaster died in Balkh, and there was a monument built on his grave. We also have no historical record that there is a remote possibility that Ali was buried in Afghanistan, but to Wikipedia the latter is more credible than the former? The obscure use of the word Sharif should be enough to indicate that the people did not want the Arabs to find out who was buried there. Furtheremore if Wikepedia finds it credible that some mulla had a dream that Ali is buried there, then, what about the belief of hundreds of thousands of Zoroastrians that Zoroaster was buried there. It is obvious Wikepedia is perpetuating Islamic lies because of the threats of the Moslems, they know if Afghani's find out that Zoroaster lived and died amongst them they may find their way back to their roots and put them out of business. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.130.170 (talk) 06:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed photo of carpet

Photo of carpet removed. Person who posted it claims that it is Creative Commons licensed, but it is not.

Acroamatic (talk) 10:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regional Command North

Norwegian and Latvian forces also operate out of the Norwegian Camp Nidaros, commanding and supporting all PRT in Northern Afghanistan. The above mentioned point isn't correct. Regional Command North is German led. Camp Nidaros is part of Camp Marmal. 77.179.151.188 (talk) 16:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)