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This is the exception that proves the rule for ship naming; Mayflower by itself overwhelmingly means the original ship, so it should get the plain article title. Stan 17:12, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Marriage to Natives
There was some pilgrims who married the local natives. That should be included, as one of them ended up with the daughter of a Chief, a princess as it were. Kaiser Matias 03:32 20 April 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Netherlands?
Didn't the actual voyage start in Holland? I thought the original ship is actually there, not in America or the UK?
- Nope. The voyage was initiated by John Carver who lived in Leiden, The Netherlands. He sailed, with about 35 people, to Southampton aboard the Speedwell. After arrival in Southampton both ships sailed for America.
- Epiales 13:34 24 March 2006 (UTC)
- There was a second Mayflower that sailed with Leiden passengers from London to Plymouth in 1629. But neither ship - nor any of the several other Mayflowers of the era still exists. Rmhermen 15:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] dogs
http://www.rootsweb.com/~mosmd/pilgdogs.htm
[edit] Mayflower trip
Within wikipedia worldwide I found different dates concerning the trip of the Pilgrim Fathers in 1620:
September 06 till November 11, Old Style or the Julian Calendar
and
September 16 till November 21 New Style or the Gregorian Calendar.
TDK
[edit] spelling
changed "beings" to "begins" in "The known history of the farm begins in 1618..." NB
[edit] Passengers
This seems completely unnecessary to me, especially in the Passengers section: "The Mayflower landed in an area that John Smith had mapped on called New England. The Mayflower had landed in a place called Plymouth." 68.220.240.53 01:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Removed edits
24.22.155.78 added the following text to the article:
- "The pilgrams (inspite of common belif) never intended to settle in virgina, most people aboard the mayflower weren't pilgrams but passengers along for the ride, to start tabacco farms in virgina. Obviously, these passegers were not happy at having been taken elsewhere, epcially to a shore with no prior english settlement to join. Rumors of mutiny quickly spread and to avoid a hostile situation the pilgrams created the mayflower compact."
He/she also added this [1] afterwards. I am removing both, but if there is any truth in the first edit feel free to re-merge with the article (in a more encyclopedic tone, of course) --AbsolutDan (talk) 01:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Newfoundland Stop
The references for the stop at Renews are:
< this is a myth - there is no source material evidence to date - just locals 'cashing in' on the Mayflower 'brand name' -- all these refrences are nearly identical, indicating cut and paste replication> 66.30.252.172 16:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC) There is only the historical record of the Renews community which does not make it a myth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.87.73 (talk) 01:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Large Iron Screw
- At one point, the ship's main beam cracked and had to be repaired using a large iron screw.
I've read that it was a printing press screw. Will look for proper citations. --Midnightcomm 03:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Did anyone notice the vandalism? How do you get rid of that? Talk about tacky.
(i did not -- please be specific ... thanks!)
[edit] John Alden
G.F. Willison in Saints and Strangers, p. 131, says Alden was hired by the Pilgrims to work as their cooper, not as a ship's crew member as the article claims. [ --68.163.147.144, 20:42, 20 November 2006 ]
- 22-November-2006: OK, I corrected the article "Mayflower" by stating "other hired personnel" and quoting text that John Alden was hired as a "cooper [barrel-maker]" plus added a footnote to an official source webpage describing records about the life of John Alden (at PilgrimHall.org). -Wikid77 12:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citing Sources
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There are clearly numerous places in this article that lack references. Why is the {{unreferenced|article|date=December 2006}} tag being removed? Please refer to WP:REF for clarification. Betaeleven 12:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia
Who was the last person to die from that initial voyage? Montpierre en 07:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
answer: Pergrine White in 1704!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peregrine_White
[edit] Where did they land?
The Pilgrims did not land at the tip of Cape Cod (Provincetown). Does anyone remember that they landed at Plymouth Rock (which would be present-day Plymouth, Massachusetts, which is not on the tip or Cape Cod). Plymouth, Massachusetts, is south of Boston, but it is not on the Cape. I am going to fix this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.130.131 (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC).
Yes, the article does not even state the correct county. The pilgrims founded Plymouth County, where Plymouth, MA is located. Cape Cod is Barnstabl County. They landed in, and founded, Plymouth (county and village-town-city), Massachusetts, not Cape Cod or Provincetown.
Yes, everything about Cape Cod is incorrect. Plymouth and Plymouth County are not on Cape Cod. They are on the South Shore or Boston.
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- No, it is all correct. Plymouth is certainly not on Cape Cod, but that was not the first landing site. The Mayflower first anchored in Provincetown Harbor at the tip of Cape Cod, and the Pilgrims subsequently explored parts of the Cape and actually had a skirmish with natives. It was a storm and native troubles that forced the Pilgrims to sail westward to Plymouth and its protected harbor. Plymouth was actually the second landing site, but is much more well known as that is where the settlement was established. Raime 03:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spelling and Grammar
When I was reading this article for a project I came across several words that are misspelled including hopeful (spelled in article as hopefull), young (spelled as yong in article), own (spelled as owne in article), and married (spelled as maryed in article). Unless a different dilect of English spells things this way these errors need to be corrected. I won't correct them for now until someone confirms they are spelling errors or they are truly supposed to be spelled this way. Xtreme racer 18:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- The spellings are correct, they are transcribed from original documents from that time. They are quoted from their sources and this is why they are in italics. The "dialect" is old English, and many words were spelled differently at that time compared to "official" dictionary sources today. Reference the United States Declaration of Independence (as it was written http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence_(as_it_was_written) for more examples of these kinds of older spellings. Fjbfour 20:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Plymouth, Massachusetts
The first sentence of the article originally read: "The Mayflower was the famous ship that transported the Pilgrims from Plymouth, England, to Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts (United States), in 1620." I changed it to: "The Mayflower was the famous ship that transported the Pilgrims from Plymouth, England, to Plymouth, Massachusetts (which would become the capital of Plymouth Colony) in 1620." The first link should go to the town of Plymouth, Massachusetts, not Plymouth Colony. The town was the actual settlement where the ship landed; Plymouth Colony consisted of the town of Plymouth, as well as several other settlements in the region. The colony eventually consisted of all 3 Southeastern Massachusetts counties, so it is a little too vague to name as the exact landing location. Also, I left out the United States part becuase it didn't seem appropriate. The Massachusetts name is needed for disambiguation purposes, but should we really name the United States as the landing location, when the country didn't even come into existence until more than 100 years later? Raime 03:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Some wording issues
Despite the fact that it is undoubtedly true, I find the wording of some of this entry to sound like something from a children's encyclopaedia.
The Mayflower was the "famous" ship that transported "the pilgrims"
Is the word "famous" really appropriate here? Also *THE* pilgrims? Which pilgrims? I know any American can tell you what "The Pilgrims" means to them, but there *are* other Pilgrims. 70.189.213.149 18:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
- I don't mind either way on "famous", but I agree that the reference to "the" Pilgrims should be clarified. As a British reader, it's not at all clear: there have been pilgrims for thousands of years, all across the world. --AlexChurchill (talk) 09:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] September 6 or September 16?
I followed a link here from September 6, and this page says instead it left on September 16. The page for September 16 doesn't contain a mention of the Mayflower, but September 6 does. If the dates are "old style", should the links be changed to point to September 16? --AlexChurchill (talk) 09:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- So much confusion over this. The introduction now gives both sets of dates. Old Style dating was in use: Sept. 6 sailing, Nov. 11 arrival (66-day voyage). The links for those dates point to pages that both now give the New Style equivalents. I am reluctant to list the sailing & arrival dates on the Sept. 16 & Nov. 21 pages as well, as it could open a rather large "Pandora's Box". (Should all older dates be shown both ways and linked in duplicate? Where would one draw the line?) However, it can easily be done if others deem it appropriate. Hertz1888 (talk) 00:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
