Talk:Mauricio Macri

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[edit] Politician?

"Mauricio Macri is an Argentine politician". I would rather say "Mauricio Macri is an entrepreneur become politician". He owns Correo Argentino, Metrovías, etc, and has for some time.

Politicians own the country. your comment is either misguided or worse retarded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.127.101.227 (talk) 08:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
You really should not be using that kind of language against me. In a Democracy, politicians do not own the country, they merely administer it on behalf of the people. Now, we could argue how close or how far we are from a true democracy, or whether Macri is corrupt or not, etc. But that would be original research unless properly sourced.
What I was actually referring to with my comment, is that I think it should be stated in the article that Macri has been in the money-making business years before pursuing a political carrer; and how owning Metrovías, for example, could create a conflict of interests, him being the Jefe de gobierno and all. Would you care helping me in expressing these points in the article, which are, in my opinion, completely ignored? (this article seems pretty pro-Macri biased to me) --W2bh (talk) 19:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I'll use whatever language I please. For instance

"Macri's political position can be described as fascist and he also has ties to the left-leaning and populist Peronist party. "

You are being disruptive. Stop. You cannot do what you wish. Please read the link provided. If you keep adding that statement whithout complying with Wikipedia policies: WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:BLP, WP:OR, it'll just keep being reverted, the article protected, and every IP you hide behind will be subsequently blocked.
Why don't you try to be constructive instead: look for sources for the statement, and reword it to something like "Macri's political position HAS BEEN described as fascist [source]. IT IS SAID THAT he has ties to the left-leaning and populist Peronist party [source]." Wikipedia is not a soapbox. --W2bh (talk) 18:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page protected

I've currently protected this page for three hours, due to an edit war; several editors have expressed concern that a particular passage being added may not conform to WP:NPOV and/or WP:V. It may be best if interested parties can discuss on this talk page, to develop consensus as to the most appropriate wording (if any). Anyone not familiar with Wikipedia norms may wish to review the dispute resolution process. Thank you all for your time. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Your 'charges' are ridiculous. I suggest you give up your misguided censorship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.212.49.145 (talk)
What charges have I made? Please elaborate. – Luna Santin (talk) 04:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't specifically addressing 'you' but the rest of the gang on the ip based talk page.

Ah, I see. In any case, I'd encourage other editors to provide their comments, here, in the meantime. – Luna Santin (talk) 05:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Personally, I agree with the statement, but I understand that that is my personal opinion, and that's why I kept reverting it. The article also seems pro-Macri biased. I don't have, however, the time to fix it. --W2bh (talk) 18:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Do you realize that you just claim to be 'objective', but you really are not ? For people who know what fascism is and what Macri does it should be clear that my statement is just fact. That he has ties to the peronist party, wich is left leaning is even more obvious if you bother to look around. Do people use wikipedia to get information ? I am providing it.201.212.90.185 (talk) 19:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
You are not a verifiable source. Is that so hard to understand? --W2bh (talk) 19:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Can't you see how ridiculous this is ? Do you need a 'source' stating that 2+2=4 ? - Get a copy of 1984 - you need it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.212.90.185 (talk) 19:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I have read it, thank you. You write: "For people who know what fascism is and what Macri does it should be clear that my statement is just fact". Have you considered that there may be people who don't know what Macri does? Or that they may not even know who Macri is? We We (you and me) know that Macri considers that the cartoneros "steal" the garbage, or that he pressured TBA to get rid of the train that transported them in and out of Capital Federal. But we we, you and me, who live in Capital Federal, know it. That is why everything we put here has to be sourced. By the way, please always remember to sign your comments with four tildes. --W2bh (talk) 19:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear 201-212-90-185.cab.prima.net.ar, yes, you need sources for stating that 2+2=4 (see Addition there are several references). Besides, you should explain that you are performing addition in base 5 or greater. If you were using base 3, then 2+2=11. Now, writing about Macri, for people who know what fascism is and what Macri does it may not be clear that your statement is factual'; if you endorse your statement with some reliable source then it will be easier to discuss about it. Furthermore, for each statement "A is FOO" there is another statement "A is not FOO" that should be considered too.

Regards Rjgodoy (talk) 14:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC).

Wikipedia is non-objective and politically biased. And citing more politically biased 'sources' just makes matters worse and is clearly circular reasoning (a fallacy). Commies are great : source : pravda. 15:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] more facts

Here's another one for you. Macri is supposedly a sort of 'neoliberal' but he's doubled property taxes, instead of reducing the size of the government.201.212.90.185 (talk) 22:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll make you a deal. We are both interested in including facts and points of view which are currently not represented in the article. I propose we work together on it. Today it's my birthday so I'm busy, and tomorrow I have to work on some audio tracks. I guess that late in the afternon, around 19:00, I'll be free.
You can start by looking for reliable sources, like notable newspapers (i.e., Página/12) regarding Macri's actions, and pasting them here. It is very recommended that you create an account for you, if you are serious about working on this. Then, once we know what we have to back up the statements, we can start working on the text here before putting it in the article. I'll pospone something that I'm doing in order to work with you on this. We (well, me at least) have the whole easter to do it. What do you think? --W2bh (talk) 23:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I would never consider pagina12 or any other newspaper for that matter a reliable source. You see, that's the problem. Regarding political articles, wikipedia is not concerned with truth, merely with poltical correctness. So, I'm done with it - sorry.201.212.90.185 (talk) 14:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia concerned with political correctness? I'm sorry, but you have certainly misinterpreted WP:V, WP:OR and WP:NPOV if you think it has anything to do with political correctness. Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia; that is, a conpendium of information. Wikipedia is not the place for political campaigning.
I told you: let's include the information, to better reflect the true nature of the guy, but we have to play by Wikipedia's rules. And you blew me off. Suit yourself.
BTW, when I mentioned Página/12 (which belongs to Grupo Clarín. You see, it all stays whithin the family) I was mentioning an example of a source that wouldn't get deleted. We cannot just start putting things we read on blogs. It may be "truer", but, if you think about it and try to reason beyond the crimethink conspiracy theories, you'll understand why it has to be like this. --W2bh (talk) 19:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC)