Talk:Martin Gore
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Currently residing in Santa Barbara, California.--Rockero 22:22, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Prose Style of Main Article
The prose-style of this article is terrible. It sounds like someone is writing in German and then having babble-fish translate it. The flow of the sentences is extremely clunky and the syntax is often muddled so the reader has to go back and re-read what was stated.
Could someone please rewrite this entry for clarity's sake? MLG is an important pop songwriter and deserves better.
An example of what I am talking about: "Gore contributed only two tracks; the instrumental "Big Muff" and "Tora! Tora! Tora!". Also on the album is "Any Second Now (voices)", which has Martin on lead vocals, his first for the band and the only non-cover song he sings which is not written by himself."
The first sentence makes it sound like both "Big Muff" and "Tora! Tora! Tora!" are instrumentals. Also, the second clause of the second sentence is confusingly worded. "His first for the band" probably refers to "Any Second Now (Voices)" being his first vocals for the band. I have no idea what "the only non-cover song he sings which is not written by himself" means.
Upon closer inspection I have the following issues with the article:
FACTUAL ERROR: "David is credited with the name "Depeche Mode" after seeing the phrase in a French fashion magazine."
This isn't technically true. The band's name is taken from the NAME of a French fashion magazine called "Depeche Mode."
MISLEADING: "When Alan Wilder was finally introduced as a permanent member of the band (c. 1983), Gore let all production and arrangement responsibilities rest with him. This is especially evident when comparing the solo church organ demo of "Enjoy The Silence" with the epic synth pop masterpiece that it eventually became."
"Enjoy the Silence" came out in 1990. There are FOUR albums which are overlooked. Was the writer not able to find evidence of Wilder's influence before 1990? How about all of "Black Celebration"?
MISLEADING: " Fans tend to be disappointed in Martin's Playing the Angel and Exciter tracks,"
What is the writer's evidence for this? Playing the Angel is a NEW album and the consensus on Depeche Mode fan boards (DM.com, sideline, and BONG) is the PTA is a return to form. Why does the writer feel he/she can speak universally for the fans?
OVERLOOKED: The rest of the article is just a lot of fan speculation about what "fans" like and the "highlights" of the show. There is nothing about the political arc of Gore's songwriting (from "Everything Counts" to "John the Revelator") nothing about his African-American father, nothing about his DJing, nothing about his troubled marriage, his children, his production credits on other artist's albums, his cross-dressing phase in the mid-1980s, his drinks problem, or even his Ivor Novello award. This article truly needs an overhaul.
- The above comment was written Dec 2005 but I have to add to the so-called 'misleading' comment on Alan Wilder's influence on the 'masterpiece' of Enjoy The Silence. I personally like this track but I do not agree with how the statement is worded. It's not clear that the version of 'Enjoy The Silence' is all down to Wilder's influence. I remember reading an interview with DM and a comment of theirs was how many versions and mixes they went through before deciding on the one they felt worked best. And whther or not it is a 'masterpiece' is surely personal opinion, which doesn't belong in a wikipedia entry? If there are no arguments against, I'm going to remove that sentence. Even the rest of that paragraph is in real need of some citations... --Recurring 22:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ponytail Girl
To the anonymous editors that continue to add "Ponytail Girl" to the list of song's with Martin on vocals, please be advised that a simple Google search clearly indicates that this is not a Depeche Mode song, rather, it is by Color Theory. Now that this notice is here, it should be noted that if it is continually added to the list, this will constitute vandalism. Thank you. John5008 --- talk 23:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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- This has to be one of the worse and most disappointing profiles I've ever read on Wikipedia. It's Martin Gore!! -vik20
[edit] Personal Life
The divorce has since been finalized and has been put in its proper tense. Punctuation and grammar also corrected.
[edit] Sources
I think that it would be hard to state sources when it comes to Martin Gore because a lot of information about him is second or third hand information. For example, the rumor of the biological father that Martin was only told of when he was about to have his first child, is only a rumor. That story, to my knowledge, has never been confirmed by Martin in any interview.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Duvessa (talk • contribs)
There are many, many published sources for Martin Gore. There are several lengthy biographies of Depeche Mode, and more than 27 years of interviews and press clippings! The information regarding Martin Gore's biological father and how he learned about it has been published, along with quotations and Martin's own response in Jonathan Miller's lengthy book "Stripped: Depeche Mode" (Omnibus Press, 2003, 2004, ISBN 1.84449.415.2, pp.318-319). Jdubowsky 08:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] About Personal Jesus (Acoustic)
In the article of Wikipedia we notice that Personal Jesus (Acoustic) is attributed to Martin Gore, while it is David Gahan who sings it. On the contrary, Gore sings the acoustic version of Enjoy the silence, that's to say the Harmonium remix.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.18.72.238 (talk • contribs)
[edit] Black?
Are their any sources for this? He dosent look black at all. 71.137.83.153 06:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, there is a published source for this. See Jonathan Miller, "Stripped: Depeche Mode" (Omnibus Press, 2003, 2004, ISBN 1.84449.415.2, pp.318-319). The book is thorough and indexed. It contains a very fascinating interview with a childhood friend, Gore's response, and some interesting details. To paraphrase, regarding his appearance, Gore has curly hair and certain dark features. The book intimates that a meeting between Gore and his biological father did not go very well; the book implies that his father is of very humble ways and means, while Gore of course is one of the wealthiest Britons, and that was the salient feature of interest to the father. I would like to see additional sources on this matter, especially those which might address the cultural or critical significance of Gore as a mixed-ethnicity composer and pop star. Jdubowsky 09:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Indian?
Who the hell wrote that his father was Indian?
[edit] Dressed In Black
Ok I have inserted this song to the Martin sung songs for DM for the like...the 4th time,may I ask who the person is that constantly deletes Dressed In Black from the list?
- Well, it's not sung by Martin, so that's why it is constantly removed. It even says so on the official website. Closetoeuphoria 01:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Any relation to Al Gore?
Just wondering —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gimodon (talk • contribs) 20:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
