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Intgr, I'm not sure why you're so irritated with my clarification that big part of "War in the Woods" took place after WWII. And I do think that cheap shot about "workers paradise" belongs in serious article, unless you want to give it clear POV twist. 206.186.8.130 15:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, this edit looks OK. I had your IP memorized from your preceding edit. I was not "irritated", it's no use getting angry at vandalism. -- intgr #%@! 19:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geopolitical reorientation

The statement "However, Estonia is still one of main routes for Russian transit trade. More than 85% of the cargo volume of Estonian Railways comes from Russia and goes forward to transit." is highly POV. First, statement "Estonia is still one of main routes for Russian transit trade" describes Russian orientation, not Estonian. Second, the transit share is very moderate in Estonian GDP (if you would like to get some economic indicator about geopolitical orientation, just look the external trade or FDI statistics. You can't take a railway company business as an indicator of the geopolitical orientation, because if you have so small railway network (only several hundreds kilometers) the railway companies have to have business with neighbours. It's a big deal for the company, but really not very important for the national economy. This is just another myth cultivated by (mainly Russian) media that Estonian economy is dependent of Russian transit. And third, what this has to do with Mart Laar? I will delete this statement as irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.235.54.229 (talk) 19:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

"It's a big deal for the company, but really not very important for the national economy." Normally statements about "big" or "not so big" deal need to be supported by serious sources. For example, certain someone (Estonian Academician, nor less) described as "leading expert in Estonian transit" is of opinion that transit takes 25-30% of the Estonian GDP: “Transit means not only cargo flows, but what is manufactured and exported on the basis of Russian raw materials at Ida-Virumaa. Transit is financial resources and logistics as well..." [1]. I guess, weighing opinion of 80.235.54.229 against opinion of Academician Michael Bronstein, it is possible, in accordance with WP:RS, prefer an expert's opinion to IP's one. RJ CG 14:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, Mihhail Bronštein has not very much credibility anymore. He likes to call himself "transit expert" and "expert of Russia", but these claims are not supported very widely. This Regnum news just refers to Bronštein's opinion and don't gives any explanation how these 25-30% are calculated. On the other hand, the Bank of Estonia's analysis provides quite different figures.[2] And Russian raw materials are sold to Estonia by world market prices, so it's not really advantage anymore to use Russan import. By the way, I don't understand why this section is included in this article - what this has to do with Mart Laar?80.235.55.51 16:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I am severely disappointed that Bronstein does not have a lot of credibility among anonymous wikipedians from Estonia, but his opinion undoubtedly falls under WP:RS. Feel free to refute it, though, based on reliable sources. As to " why this section is included in this article" - I don't understand it too, I did not included it here and I witnessed couple of dogged attempts from Estonia to remove anything opposing this rather controversial POV from an article. Feel free to remove it completely, if it is more to your liking. RJ CG 17:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't knew if Regnum is RS or not. I think it could be reliable as an opinion and not as a fact. But in this case, why Bronštein's opinion about Russian transit should be included in the article about Mart Laar?80.235.55.51 17:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I could have my reservations regarding their Russian version, but I'm pretty sure that English version deals with published information correctly enough. I.e. their facts are true, but not necessarily complete. Although any media, Internet or otherwise, can be accused of latter sin. RJ CG 21:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Couple of points. First, "However" is a word to avoid and second, if you have a sourced dissent opinion about Estonian economy, you can add it to the corresponding artice if you like, why should it be here? Oth 16:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
why should it be here I hope I explained it to the anonymous author. As claim of "Geopolitical reorientation" is there, it can be supported or refuted by WP:RS. RJ CG 17:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Estonian AND RUSSIAN history???

Could you please mention a single work of Laar that focuses on Russian history? 90.191.81.145 (talk) 17:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)