Talk:Market timing

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[edit] Brent's Market Surfing

I put a link here earlier to Brent's Market Surfing Report. It was deleted as a salespitch, which at best can be considered a violation of NPOV, since it is a reference site that doesn't sell or even advocate anything. The man just publishes his interpretation of current signals, and his system has averaged 30% per year for over 25 years, with little to possibly no exceptions. So while Market Timing is "dangerous", one can't argue but that, at least in this case, it's doubled the market for decades. So I vote we put a link back up to his site (www.marketsurfing.com). Mrcolj 16:18, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Market timing illegal?

I'[m a little confused. The article makes it sound like market timing is dangerous but legal; this refers to market timing as if it's something you're not supposed to do at all legally. what's up? -- Antaeus Feldspar 04:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the key is in the fraudulent activity, as there is nothing illegal about timing per se. It would appear that some mutual funds try to deter market timing, but that by creating large numbers of false identities, a large corporate entity was able to successfully engage in behaviour it wouldn't otherwise have been able to. It would appear that mutual funds have limits on the size and frequency of trading, so by having hundreds of 'apparent' investors, Millennium was able to trade more frequently and in greater volume. It's also possible they may have avoided some capital gains tax as well on some of the longer positions.Limegreen 10:24, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

The statement about Bob Brinker's timing being reliable for the entire thirty year period was incorrect, largely because of his having gone bearish after the crash of '87, and because of a recommendation to significantly increase equity allocation in a volatile segment of the market in October of 2000. Sources: back issues of his investment letter and bulletin. 71.131.214.58 09:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Market timing is being grossly misrepresented in this article. MT is a speculation strategy, and is the opposite of the "buy-and-hold" strategy. It's simple... Buy 5000 shares of "X" stock at $10.00, and sell it at 10.20 an hour later. As opposed to buying 5000 of "X" at $10.00 and selling at $16.50 a year from then. MT:BH as Short term:Long term. Market rigging and unethical practices regarding hedge funds are a totally different deal. King of Corsairs (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mutual Fund Timing

I'm certainly not an expert on this issue, but I get the impression this article is a little misleading; particularly the reference to the 2003 incident. I have read in an investopedia article that the 2003 incident is referred to as Mutual Fund Timing not Market Timing. In fact its stress that the two should not be confused. Overall, this is a poor article.