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[edit] Sources

I question the validity of the sources of this piece. By "referencing" CAITI and Mr. Brent Fullard this article cites a group who are clearly biased against Mr. Carney. I think any references to CAITI and Mr. Fullard should be removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by U22mjs (talk • contribs) 20:49, 24 November 2007

In the future, new user U22mjs sign your contributions to Wikipedia. DSatYVR (talk) 04:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The article indeed appears to be out-of-balance; that is, biased in favour of reporting on criticism of Carney. The reliance on blogs as sources is also problematic. --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 20:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Which blog source bothers you Paul Erik? The one from a Federal MP Garth Turner, or the one from the registered Investor advocacy Association CAITI? Neither are anonymous bloggers. Both have established credibility IMO. Here is another citable reference relating to Mark Carney's role as adviser to Finance Minister Jim Flaherty. Harper, Carney, Flaherty income trust mistake: Deloitte which isn't very flattering of Mr. Carney either. All of which go to my point that although Mr.Carney must have some positive attributes, Wiki readers (Canadians especially) also need to know what kind of advice Mr. Carney has given in the past as a measure of what they can expect in the future. DSatYVR (talk) 16:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Please refer to Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons. It says, in part: "Self-published books, zines, websites, and blogs should never be used as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article." --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 17:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
To comply with the Wiki Self-published sources (online and paper) policy I've revised the citations with verifiable third party sources. DSatYVR (talk) 17:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced material

I removed some cites and material. IMHO, alot more should be tagged/removed. Anyways, --Tom 18:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we'll have a stub soon :) --Tom 18:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copied from Biographies of Living People discussion page

  • DSatYVR (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) appears to be intent on overwhelming this article with criticism of Mark Carney, the incoming governor-general of the Bank of Canada. I warned the user about sourcing to blogs (and repeatedly drew his attention to WP:BLP) but he restored his content—with some slightly improved sourcing—still using sources such as this video which is essentially an attack on Carney. I would very much appreciate someone else taking a look at this, since political articles are generally not my area, and since this appears to be a larger issue than just poor citations. Thanks. // Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 17:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, looks like material added is too further some agenda. I have tried to copy edit the article but could use serious help. Thanks for the heads up. --Tom 18:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah some agenda. Why not look in the mirror boys? You hide behind WP:BLP when the blogs sourced are attached to a legitimate and registered Investor Advocacy Group and linked to their webpage:
And apparently a Federal Canadian MP's website Garth Turner has his blog attached The Turner Report but is still targeted for deletion...
So why the deletion frenzy? Apparently any website containing the word 'blog' is a worthy target. Does this one fit the bill although it is attached the national newspaper? National Post-Diane Francis Apparently so because you deleted it also.
None of these are anonymous blogs posted by faceless writers. But they have one thing in common and that is that they are critical of Mark Carney and I think that is the main reason you do what you do and hide behind this: WP:BLP. Read this posted above. I provide secondary sources to back up the attached blogs and you still delete entirely all references including the secondary verifiable references. All this to say, who really is the problem here? You two or me? DSatYVR (talk) 05:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello, all. I have no fish to fry in this particular clambake but will take a look at the article. DSatYVR, please Assume Good Faith (WP:AGF) on the part of all the editors. I will look at the blogs you mentioned. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, I did look at two of the sources which have remained on the page as of this date, and I must say I couldn't find anything in the Diane Francis blog that seemed to directly back up the asserted facts in the article, so perhaps that shouldn't be there as a source. The video should be a "See Also," not a reference, because what has been put into the article is more or less an interpretation of the video, rather than a reporting of what Mr. Carney actually said. An interpretation, by its very nature, is Original Research. The phrase "refused to explain" is, again, an interpretation of what went on. It would be better to say "did not explain," if in fact that statement is true.
In truth, this discussion should be on the Talk Page over there, so I am copying it and pasting it. I'm sure that, all working together, we can get a good article out of this biography. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 06:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Thanks for the comments. I do not usually edit articles about politics or economics (and I have no opinion, positive or negative, about the subject of this article) but I would be glad to help out in finding some sources. What do others think of this "fact box" from Reuters, this article from the Financial Post, and this one from the CBC? --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 13:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I can only go with Be Bold (WP:Bold) Your references seem to be filled with good material, and it would help if some of it were added to the Mark Carney biography. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inserting 2nd paragraph in Dept of Finance section - comments?

Peter Barker-Homek, Chief Executive of Abu Dhabi National Energy Co. (TAQA) says ""We think that because of the changes in the trust structures ... there will be a consolidation in that area," he told reporters. "Taqa will be well-positioned ... to help with that consolidation."[1] Barker-Homek zeroed in on Canada for several reasons: The attack on income trusts created buying opportunities and Canada is a backdoor entry to U.S. business. [2] Abu Dhabi National Energy Co. (TAQA) subsequently acquired PrimeWest Energy Trust in $5-billion deal. [3]

[edit] References

  1. ^ Abu Dhabi's Taqa looks to boost Canada acquisitions
  2. ^ Taqa increases stakes in oil play
  3. ^ Abu Dhabi picks up PrimeWest in $5-billion deal

I would like to insert the above section as the 2nd paragraph in the Dept of finance section to show cause and effect of the policies promoted by Mark Carney Comments welcome DSatYVR (talk) 15:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Additional material - Bank of Canada section

The Primewest Energy Trust acquisition by TAQA was the focus of questions asked by Thomas Mulcair at the December 5 hearings. Mulcair asked Carney whether the foreign company would pay any Canadian taxes after acquiring Primewest.

I'll insert the above into the article if no objections. comments welcome DSatYVR (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Current Finance committee motion

Also there is currently a motion to be voted on Jan/2008 by the Federal Finance committee I'll hold back on for now relating to Mark Carney and Jim Flaherty and their actions at the Dept of finance:

"That this committee as soon as possible launch an inquiry into the unproven allegation by the Finance Minister that income trusts result in a loss of tax revenue to Ottawa, in light of reports that 70% of all recent trust purchasers are tax-exempt, while individual Canadian investors lost tens of billions of dollars, and therefore pay less tax, as a result of the government trust decision."

DSatYVR (talk) 16:07, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Diane Francis as a reference

There is material relevant to this article from Diane Francis I wish to insert.

Diane Francis as a reference

Please feel free to add your comments on the WP:BLP page linked above. DSatYVR (talk) 16:14, 5 February 2008 (UTC)