Talk:Marie de' Medici

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This should be at Marie de Medici, shouldn't it? This is how she is normally known in English. john k 20:57, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 11th ed., calls her Marie de Médicis. They save the apostrophe for those who remained Italian, and call Catherine both "Catherine de Médicis" and "Caterina de' Medici". I think mostly we need to set up a good system of redirects. - Nunh-huh 21:11, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hmm...I've always thought the "Médicis" spelling, which is the Frenchified version of the name, is not normally used in English anymore. Columbia Encyclopedia gives "Marie de' Medici." Encarta, though, gives "Marie de Médicis," as does Britannica. What should be noted is that every source gives "Marie," not Maria. john k 21:25, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I think that once you translate from Italian it ought to be Marie, either in French or English. I think it would be fine to move it to either Marie de Medici or Marie de Médicis. (Perversely, probably the former, because although I myself love diacritics, I don't think we ought to require them to access our article titles.) - Nunh-huh 00:01, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I don't care whether you use the English version (Marie) or the Italian (Maria). One thing I will insist on is that you use the correct "de'" . All the other Medicis (Lorenzo, Catherine, etc) have the "de'" form, which is what most histories in English about them use. Also, I have moved the Talk: page to the same name. Noel 04:48, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

FWIW, Yahoo shows 1,260 for "Maria de Medici" on pages in English, versus 3,820 for "Marie de Medici", so clearly the latter term is the preferred one in English. It's much better to use Yahoo/Google searches for things like that, rather than rely on a particular source. Noel 04:57, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'm glad you mentioned the de' issue: I have been writing lots of articles on Italian composers and now I'm fixing where I've been sloppy. de' is correct. Happy editing, Antandrus 05:00, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The apostrophe is fine with me. I didn't really care. as to Marie - I would submit that it would be difficult to find a single historical work in English that refers to her primarily as "Maria de Medici" john k 05:00, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Well, the book I use most for the Medici's (Hibbert's "House of Medici") has her as "Maria" exclusively in the text - but lists her under "Marie" in the index! Go figure! Anyway, I think I have fixed everything now - all the redirects point directly to the final target, and I've got the Talk: page in the right place, with all the redirects for that fixed too. Noel 05:16, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I guess it would make sense for a book about Italian history to use her Italian name. But Marie was, of course, largely an important figure in French history. And in that context she's always "Marie", as far as I'm aware. john k 06:22, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Descendants

Moved to Descendants of Marie de' Medici.

I moved this from the main page due to objections about it not being wikipedia'ish and that it was monstrous. On other pages the decendent table has gone down well. I understand how it looks long, but since on all printers I have tried wiki pages never print well, I assumed that the screen media would be fine. Also it makes the traversing of the family much easier plus more entertaining for children. Hey but what do I know, except that there is little point in being bold!! --Nexus5 15:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Give it its own page, Chart of descendents of Marie de' Medici, or the like, and link it from the article at See also. That's bold!--Wetman 15:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Date of birth

Many websites give the year of birth "1573", according to the "Medici Archive" it is "1575" ! Her mother, Johanna von Habsburg-de' Medici, gave birth to Lucretia de' Medici on November 07, 1572, which makes it biologically impossible to have another child in April 1573. Compare as well: (Children of Maria's mother Johanna) http://documents.medici.org/people_details.cfm?personid=404 84.133.25.96 18:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

• Well, 1573 seems to be correct, the "Medici Archive" may be wrong! Their comment: "The biographical entry in our database is based on Gaetano Pieraccini, who erroneously claims that Marie was born in 1575 (though in a footnote he mentions that Galluzzi placed her birth in 1573). We are changing the record right now."

But in this case the birthdate of Maria's elder sister Lucretia will have to be corrected as well. Up to now it is published as per "November 07, 1572", which then is biologically impossible. 84.133.25.139 18:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

• Following several months of research into the Medici family birthdates the "Medici Archive" has now confirmed the birthdate of Lucretia de' Medici as per November 07, 1572. Therefore the originally published birthdate of Maria de' Medici, April 26, 1575, was correct! http://documents.medici.org/people_details.cfm?personid=409 79.198.42.220 (talk) 17:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)