Talk:Maria Theresa thaler

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	This article is part of the WikiProject Numismatics, which is an attempt to facilitate the categorization and creation of accurate and formal Numismatism-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate please visit the project page, where you can join and see a list of open tasks to help with.
Start	This article has been rated as start-Class on the quality scale.
High	This article has been rated as high-importance on the importance scale.

[edit] dating

"Since 1780, the coin has always been dated 1780"-why? Wouldn't that make it hard to determine the collectability of one? Chris 06:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

These coins were issued by the authority of the Empress in official acts dated on the coins. After she died, they were still issued under her authority, as authorised in 1780. A saltire following the 1780 indicates, I believe, that she was dead when the coin was issued. Rwflammang 13:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Masculine Titles

Quoth the article in a reference:

The Empress used the Latin masculine forms for her archducal, ducal, and comital titles.

The Latin words archidux, dux, and comes are third declension nouns of common gender; i.e., they can be either masculine or feminine, depending on context. It seems to me that in this context they are clearly feminine. Is there some reason for thinking otherwise? Rwflammang 13:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

In post-classical Latin they had the feminine forms ducissa and comitissa, regularly used as equivalents for "duchess" and "countess", respectively, while dux and comes became exclusively masculine. But the comment is an unnecessary complication, so I'll remove it.RandomCritic 10:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MTT?

What kind of thaler is this one?

Av. Between a Palmen and branches of laurel, which are together bound down with a mesh, is the chest picture of the empress facing right. Transcription from downside M. THERESIA. D: G.R. - IMP. HU. BO. REG.

Rev. Between branches of palm there is a rounded box containing "20", and over it the double eagle with head under a crown, on the chest of the eagle the bohemian coat of arms sign. Transcription from downside ARCHID. AUST. DUX. - BURG. SI. M. MO. 1778 x

I`ve searched to whole net, and I couldn`t find such a thaler. Bot the year and the legends are unique. For example, on none other MTT does the legend from the rev. appears. Also, there were no MTTs made in 1778 (from what I know). Could this be a fake? Dry dust 13:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It's no thaler, but a 20 kreuzer piece. All coins depicting Maria Theresia were not thalers.