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[edit] Ghostwriting

Shouldn't this article, in the interest of truth, say that all but one of Margaret Truman's books were actually ghost-written? (posted by 129.34.20.23)

Yes, it should. By all means, add it.
User:SNIyer1, please stop copying these articles from magazines. If a woman is a best-selling novelist (ghostwritten or not), that is the issue that comes first, and not that she is X's daughter or Y's husband. You're writing in a sexist and arguably offensive manner. Also, don't call women by their first names. She is Daniel, not Margaret. But I daresay you won't bother to read this message. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:36, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name

She is known by either Margaret Truman or, less often, Margaret Truman Daniel. Mary Margaret is her birth name and she is not popularly known by that. Please stop changing it like she is. Mike H 14:17, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Now discuss the issue, since I've protected the article. I believe whoever is reverting without discussion is an SNIyer1 IP as he also removes the SNIyer hidden notice. Mike H 15:45, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Mary Margaret Truman Daniel is her full name. When Mrs. Daniel dies, there will be a headstone for her and her husband bearing the name "Daniel", on her personal tombstone, hers will read "Mary Margaret Truman." We will see who eventually has the final say in the article name. You should just stop changing the article. 05:49, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

She is best known as Margaret Truman. Not once has she ever been cited in popular culture, or in the press, as Mary Margaret. Now I don't have much objection to, say, Margaret Truman Daniel, but not Mary Margaret Truman Daniel. Plus, it's best to use the word "born" for biographies instead of "B." Mike H 18:50, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

Whether or not Margaret Truman has ever been referred to as Mary Margaret, it is her given name so no matter what we say or do, Mary is her first given name and that should be acknowledged. The article could state her name is in actuality Mary Margaret Truman Daniel but she is best known as Margaret Truman by people who are closer to her age and Margaret Truman Daniel in more recent years. Many people don't use their given names take for example, Jimmy Carter whose given name is James, in all references, James is listed as his given name. The same is true for Rosalynn Carter whose given name is Eleanor Rosalynn Smith Carter. This is the same instance for Eleanor Roosevelt who was given the name Anna Eleanor Roosevelt at birth but rarely used the name Anna. There is an article on Alice Roosevelt Longworth that states B. before her birthdate. Any person with any knowledge at all will know that B before a date would most likely indicate a persons date of birth. 04:39, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

You will find that all the other articles say "born," as it is encouraged in the Manual of Style. Mike H 15:11, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
I've also edited the article. Tell me if the naming convention now fits what you want. I am still going to be adamant about keeping "born" instead of "B." Mike H 15:12, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

I am completely satisfied with the revision made to Mrs. Daniel's name in the article. Since you agreed to publish her full name, I am now satisfied with "born" instead of "B." I'm so glad that we were able to meet halfway and reach an agreement on this article. Thank you so much for your cooperation. 03:54, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

I dissagree with SlimVirgin. What happened first in Mrs. Daniel's life, that she was born to X or became a novelist? The argument really does not follow through that it is more important to note her accomplishments than to know where she came from. It is right not to call a married woman by her first name, unless that person is an intimate friend, but she should not be called just Daniel but Mrs. Daniel.172.168.74.37 18:52, 29 October 2005 (UTC)1:51, Oct. 29, 2005

[edit] Cleanup

Brought here by news of her death I've done a cleanup. This article needs lots of citation work (it was written mostly before we worried much about thorough inline citations). Gwen Gale (talk) 17:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Murder at 1600

I can't find any information about the novel being the basis of the film. There's no story credit in IMDb, for example, and Wikipedia seems to be the only place that puts them together. Any citation? --Tysto (talk) 06:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

There may have been only a story idea credit. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More about ghostwriting

An editor added an assertion William Harrington had claimed to have ghostwritten for Truman, I've put this in a footnote and modified the text to indicate there has been more than one claim. Given WP:WEIGHT, this may be enough for now but if more verifiable citations surface about this, perhaps a separate section in the article could deal with the whole topic. Gwen Gale (talk) 23:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MTD's last name

Her last name later in life was Daniel, which some editors have perhaps thought is confusing, since she was popularly known as Margaret Truman all her adult life. Some commentary here about how to handle this would be helpful. I think referring to her as Daniel is the the most helpful way to go, but Truman is reasonable too. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] burial

Needs rewrite and citations: Gwen Gale (talk) 21:50, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

She and her husband Clifton were buried at the Truman Library next to Harry and Bess Truman. Margaret Truman Daniel service was in Independence, Mo at Trinity Episcopal church By The Rev. Samuel A. Mason on February 23, 2008 then was taken to the Truman Lib.for a public service. She and her husband were laid to rest that day

This has not happened yet, but will reportedly happen today.[1] After it has happened, I'll write it up if another editor doesn't beat me to it. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Placement of magazine cover

I moved the magazine cover from right to left.[2] Positioning it on the right created a huge amount of white space.Ferrylodge (talk) 15:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)