Talk:Manchester Business School

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Please update the Business School page with new information.. Abh1984 23:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Notable alumni

I wonder if, perhaps, these names belong at University of Manchester and not here? — mholland 15:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I made a start at cleaning up this page (from this to this), but 2hiyup2 has reverted with an instruction that I discuss it first.

  1. External links. WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided is quite clear in that blogs should be avoided; the link to a forthcoming conference adds nothing to the article, and is mere linkspam. These links have no place in a Wikipedia article, and I have removed them again.
  2. Partner Universities: the article is not improved by a list of fifty plus institutions that the MBS has links with. A short statement is quite sufficient. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information
  3. Notable alumni. Consensus is that notable alumni are generally limted to those with Wikipedia articles, see (eg) WikiProject Universities. Of the twenty-plus notable alumni in the current article, only eight are not redlinks or misdirects. Some of the redlinks we can discuss (eg Don Cruickshank), but not all of them. The links of some (eg UMIST) alumni to MBS seems fairly tenuous to me, and the WP style is to prefer prose to a list (see eg Cornell_University#Alumni), but we can be eventualists on those.

The article isn't very good to start with, but 2hiyup2's perferred version is moving in the direction od a promotional piece rather than an encyclopedia article. The article needs improving along the lines suggested in WP:UNI. Mr Stephen 21:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

PS Sorry all, forgot. I am not sure what 2hiyup2 has against the use of inline citations, but I hope we will find out. Mr Stephen 21:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Stephen,
  1. I agree on this point. external links to blogs are not necessary (I haven't seen them at first)
  2. Maybe you are right. however, it might be helpful to see the the university's connections, other schools, for instance Warwick, include their list of deans, degree programmes, subject groups and research centres. Would that be better?
  3. Disagree on that point. Notable alumni should not be limited to those with wikipedia articles, rather it should encourage to add new articles. Regarding the style, other UK unis/business schools have a list of notable alumnis too, with a similar style (e.g.: London Business School)
"article needs improving" - agree on that one and we would appreciate if you could help with us with this one
well, gtg. wish you good night, 2hiyup2 23:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this about MBS or MBS/MBA

I agree it is not good to start with. I have begun to change some of the content to reflect more accurately that MBS is a full service school, and that the MBA is only a small, but very important part of its activity. Much of what is written previously conflates MBA and MBS, so for example rankings that apply to the MBA are given to the school. Still underrepresented here is the extensive, and highly ranked undergraduate activity, and the outstanding research profile.


Sorry, also to add MBS is not a University, it is a department in a University, so parallels in content and structure don't apply. It is of a status to merit its own entry though, no doubt about that, cf London Business School which is considered the closest equivalent.

MaNotMba 16:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC) MaNotMBA


Do the numbers in this paragraph refer to the School or the MBA; and what do they actually refer to, eg international experience. Maybe there should be a seperate section for MBA, Undergrad, Taught Masters etc?

The school was recently ranked among the top 25 business schools in the world for the second time for its MBA program, and 2nd in the world for its doctoral program [1]. It is placed 9th in Europe and 4th in the UK, while being 5th in the world for international business and 4th in Europe for percentage salary increase of its graduates. Regarding international experience, MBS is 6th in the world and 1st in the UK as well as is ranked in the world's top 13 for the career progress of its alumni. The average salary of Manchester's MBA graduates is US$ 108,615 - one of the highest of European business schools. I have also reverted back the 5A/5C categorizations. They imply a very significant difference in terms of % staff who are researching.

MaNotMba 07:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC) MaNotMBA

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[edit] Is this a serious page or just a plug for MBS MBA Programs

there is some deleting/reverting going on between myself and 2hiyup2. Let me explain what I have been trying to do, and the perhaps it will make sense. Issue One. As it stands in my and 2Hiyup2 versions there is a recognition that what exists now is called the "New" Manchester Business School; that is, it is a completely new entity formed on the merger of UMIST and Victoria University of Manchester in 2005. Anything that refers to the predeccessor partners then rightly belongs in the history section. Hence my moving of the "grand old man" reference to MBS (which, btw, is sexist, and can't be justified as a contemporary usage) to the history section. I have also been trying to balance out the mentions of the "old" MBS and the other partners; so, if the establishment of MBS in the 1960s is to be mentioned then so should the Dept of Industrial Administration at UMIST in the 1920s, which is in the UMIST wikipedia entry.

Issue 2. Elsewhere, I have been trying to balance out the dominating reference to the MBA program it runs with what the range of what school actually does. The nature of immigration status of MBA alumni is a piece of microtrivia, for example. This is especially while the full range of taught programmes is not listed, and the attention paid to research is minimal.

There are comparator wikipedia entries which might give an idea of how an encyclopedia article for a business school might look, as something measured and thorough, rather than as a barely concealed advertorial plug - in the UK see LBS or Lancaster University Management School. Readers should know(and you get a hint of this from the UMIST entry) that there are, shall we say, contested priorities within the school about what its most important aspects are. What this entry should aim for, I would suggest, is balanced and objective representation.

80.7.186.3 12:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)MANotMba

I just came to the talk page to see if the issue of the foundation date of the UMIST D.I.A. I would like to see the intro paragraph say what merged to form it and when those were founded, very much like the University of Manchester article. Then the details are in the history. See also School of Mathematics, University of Manchester which is a fairly well developed article on a School of the University. Here the history section tells the (intertwined) story of the two precursor departments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billlion (talk • contribs) 08:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)