Talk:Male-female income disparity in the United States

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[edit] Ridiculous

' It's important to understand, however, that the gender earnings gap is a relative figure, and thus a shrinking pay gap does not necessarily indicate a real improvement in women's income. '

Yes it does. Relative to men. Which is the subject of this article. Do I have to spell this out for you?! Read the sentence!!!

' the gender earnings gap is a relative figure '

Yes, indeed. Relative to male earnings. i.e the 'shrinking pay gap'. Which is non-existent in any case.

I mean, what are we talking about here, the 'Male-female income disparity in the United States', or wanting women to be rich just because youre a woman?!

You even cite the fact that MEN are getting paid less, as a reason to complain about womens wages!!! How incredibly typical of the Feminist movement! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.65.242.154 (talk) 13:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Where's Becker?

This article only talks about 'empirical' research, and hardly no 'theoretical, mathematical' research.

I guess I remember that, Gary Becker, the Nobel laureate in economics, in his book 'A Treatise on the Family', wrote something very much about this topic, applying rigorously mathematical economic tools.

Somebody knows about this? Addding Becker would make balance between empirics and axiomatic theory.Cosfly (talk) 04:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slanted for the left-wing point of view?

This article seems to have a somewhat slanted POV (i.e. use of the term liberals in "womens jobs mens jobs" section) and repeated sourcing of articles that are quite out of date in economic terms (i.e. figure of men working 8 more hours/week than women in "what is included section"). I'll try to find some sources to modernize the numbers and neutralize the POV. TMNolan 06:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

TM Nolan, it is generally true that people on the left side of the spectrum hold the views ascribed to "liberals" in the "women's jobs men's jobs" section. The section doesn't say that the liberal view is correct; it merely describes what the liberal view is (and also what the conservative view is). Accurately describing what liberals and conservatives believe is not "slanted." --Barry Deutsch 12:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with TMNolan. This article also uses a poor comparison of income. Comparing the incomes as reported by the census does not control for differing levels of education among females and males. Consequently, the gender gap may be a function that men in the US typically have more years of education than women - pointing to less of a gender bias in income and more of one in education. I will do some research and try to adjust the article a bit. --Vince 00:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Vince, the wage gap is a standard figure used by economists and the US government. The purpose of this article is to describe the wage gap, not to editorialize for or against the figure's utility. To change the page in the way you describe would be editorializing against the wage gap, and would be against the neutrality policy. What you're describing in your comment is a conservative opinion about the cause of the pay gap; it therefore belongs in the "causes of the pay gap" section of the article (and is already in there, in fact. --Barry Deutsch 12:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Barry, I hope you don't mind I formated your response a bit differently. It makes things a bit easier to read this way. I just wanted to pop in and get a debate started about trying to remove the terms "conservative" and "liberal" from the page. First off the terms seem loaded and secondly in other countries they might not mean the same thing they do here in the states (our liberals could be another country's conservative). --64.65.241.3 (talk) 21:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations for consideration

[edit] POV

This article is rediculus as it is currently written acting as though this is fact, rather then a claim. To be NPOV it should say that some members of the feminist movement argue there is a gender gap because ect . . . ect . . .

The fact is that there is no gender gap, federal law prohibits wage and employment discrimination, and the EEOC last I checked recieved less then 100 cases nationwide a year of wage discrimination for any variety of reasons. As for men's work and women's work people seem to forget that the industries dominated by women entail less strenous labor, are not as dangerous, and have less risk and wear and tear then those dominated by men, difference between a lumberjack and a child care provider.

If women want to be lumberjacks or coal miners the law prohibits discrimination against them on account of their sex, so there is not realistic basis for claiming a gender gap, unless you are argueing from a Feminist philosophical point of view, which should be reflected in the article. 216.255.40.151 15:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Here's the truth about this subject

I added the following to the article. The source that I cite is a wonderful article, written by a woman, and argues based on facts instead of on emotion:

An April 15, 2005 article titled "Gender Wage Gap Is Feminist Fiction" from the Independent Women's Forum states, "A study of the gender wage gap conducted by economist June O' Neill, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, found that women earn 98 percent of what men do when controlled for experience, education, and number of years on the job. [1]

Grundle2600 (talk) 06:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of Citations and References

Is it just me or is this article painfully lacking in decent references? I believe it has only 3 cites, ouch! That seems kind of small for a topic of this gravity and importance to economics and social science. I'm at the very beginning of my research on this topic, but I'll sit here and whine about the lack of cites, though I probably won't get around to adding any myself for a few months.Critical Chris (talk) 21:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

Gender Wage Gap in the United States is a relatively new article that covers much of the same content this article does (with a few more references). It should appear that the subject matter is similar enough to justify merging the two, so I believe they should be to keep related content on one page. GracenotesT § 19:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, they should be merged. I'm sure the person who created the newer article didn't know about the existence of the older one. Grundle2600 (talk) 19:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Is there a tax gender gap? After all if men make more they obviously pay more, especially if she has children, she probably would be able to claim them. Were can I get info on this? 216.255.11.165 (talk) 03:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)