Talk:Magical girlfriend

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[edit] Expert

I have forgotten to explain the expert tag. ..I'm not really sure if it was the appropriate tag or not or if I should've used the Japan portal instead, but..

Well, basically, I believe that this page is in need of someone who can read both Japanese and English fluently has access to more references than most of us here.. And.. yes, perhaps it would require a lot of experience editing Wikipedia because this article appears to require a lot of work.

Even the cited sources aren't that good..

I feel like I'm on a battlefield when I edit this article. Repku (talk) 19:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What is the Ideal?

I modified the "Magical Girlfriend personality" to be the "ideal girlfriend (woman) personality" based largely on the previous description. I suplemented this with what I got from message boards, such as http://www.goddess-project.net/board/index.php?showtopic=1870&hl=tale+genji which seemed to have some research behind it. However, the "ideal japanese woman" as basically a gentle, selfless, humble, capable, domestic is not as common a idealization as simply the "Moe (slang)" personality. However, if we were to change the section to simply talk about Moe girls we would be doing the work of that wikipedia entry and then the ideal/non-ideal list won't make sense as almost every girlfriend is described as "Moe." Even older leads like Mizuho of Please Teacher! (according to the Moe (slang) entry). Mizuho is certainly not the "ideal woman" however, as she is capable of doing all sorts of petty, less-than-selfless things, such as unapologetically staying out late with her colleages or leaving Kei to make & eat dinner alone when he comes late. Jaydubayubee 19:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Examples, What counts as Magical Girlfriend?

Does The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya qualify for a magical girlfriend anime, as well? --Koveras ☭ 21:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Edited Sakuraba Aoi from Ai Yori Aoshi out of the list. She doesn't technically count as 'magical girlfriend' because she doesn't really have any special power, magical or otherwise. Her devotion to the lead male (the only thing to come close) is common to virtually all 'perfect Japanese woman' type characters in a harem anime. Also moved Amano Ai from Idealized to Less than Idealized, since her personality is more akin to Lum than Belldandy (ie. more likely to chew out the potential boyfriend than to accept him and all his foibles without question). 219.95.30.18 06:59, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

How is Akane from Ranma 1/2 a magical girlfriend? Commander Nemet 20:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

For that matter how is Shampoo? I know she has the curse and tendency to discover magical items (both rather commonplace), but she is not depicted as being innately more "magical" than the other, more or less, mundane characters. Jaydubayubee 04:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Also she is originally a "normal" girl, who gets cursed later and is not Ranma's chief love interest nor does she cohabit with him. Ranma 1/2 is also simply not a magical girlfriend comedy, even if it is harem, this would be like calling Deedlit of Lodoss Wars a magical girlfriend. Jaydubayubee 22:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The "less than idealized" list should be standardized. Either have reasons beside every character as to why they are not idealized or take them out all together. TheFilth 23:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually I think these lists aren't encouraged on wikipedia, but I'm not touching them. I personally have nothing against stuffing helpful junk at the bottom, its more useful than annoying, people pursuing this page might find this list the most helpful bit about the page. Jaydubayubee (talk) 06:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I did take out Nyuu/Lucy of Elfen Lied. Elfen Lied is definitely not by no stretch of the imagination, a romantic comedy, even if there are some elements of romantic comedy. The show is clearly meant to be disturbing rather than lighthearted. I think it is obvious that a magical girlfriend belongs to a certain sub-genre (we could call them "magical girlfriend stories") of the romantic comedy genre. Jaydubayubee (talk) 06:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] how to get one?

hi, i am 15, male, usa how do i get a magical girlfriend? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.112.159.243 (talk) 09:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Try calling the Goddess Relief Line. Brutannica 06:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, or if you can't get through, hang around some garbage dumpsters.Yanqui9 03:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Kissing inanimate objects has been known to bring them to life Jaydubayubee 06:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
They can also come out of adult videos, which is a rather unique excuse to get them Jaydubayubee 06:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
If all else fails locate a place of supernatural or extraterrestrial activity. *WARNING* Magical girlfriend may attack upon discovery. May torch your school. May instead become your teacher. 19:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] title?

should this really be under "Magical girlfriend"? how about "Magical girlfriend (Anime)", as the page is not about simply any magickal girlfriends from any other literature styles or such. Liddell 23:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know the term "magical girlfriend" is a term used only to refer to anime charactersJaydubayubee 04:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rewriting the characteristics section

I'm posting this comment here since it's inappropriate on the actual encyclopedia page. Brutannica 01:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

NOTE: Someone please write a better description then this. This is pretty much describing Ah My Goddess (Especially the second paragraph) and not the genre as a whole. If I wasn't such a terrible writer, I'd fix it myself.

This section as well as that of the ideal girlfriend (given the odd title of "magical girlfriend personality") needed severe revamping, a lot was omitted and a lot of included material seemed to be describing AMG or small subsection rather than the genre. Jaydubayubee 07:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Early Ideal Girlfriends?

Belldandy is the earliest example of a ideal magical girlfriend I can find. Which is odd because Lum is a parody of the ideal girlfriend, and you can't have a parody before you have the original (Urusei Yatsura goes back to the 70's). Is there an earlier example? Jaydubayubee 08:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

According to this review Urusei Yatsura is the first harem comedy http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/ai-yori-aoshi/manga. I surmise Lum just parodies the traditional girlfriend. If this is so, I would guess that shows such as Tenchi Muyo! and Oh My Goddess! to be the trendsetters. Which would make Belldandy perhaps the earliest ideal woman. Jaydubayubee 05:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

You guys are making me feel old! Ayukawa Madoka, Kimagure Orange Road is older than AMG, but I think that the genre had to be in a classical period by then, as evidenced by UY. IMO, Minmei from Robotech's Macross Saga was the first Americanized instance of a magical girlfriend.MMetro (talk) 01:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I might misunderstand but I don't think those are examples of magical girlfriend. In Kimagure Orange Road Ayukawa Madoka isn't described as having powers but her counterpart Kyosuke Kasuga is. Our explanation of "magical" girlfriend is of an exotic, powers-bearing, girl paired with an ordinary male in a romantic comedy story. As such not only is Orange road a failed example but so is Macross Saga (checking the list [Elfen Lied]] isn't a romantic comedy either). I hate to say I haven't seen it but from what I see there is a Sci-Fi plot over and above the love interest, and I don't think Minmei's singing is a power. Jaydubayubee (talk) 06:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References

I'm not a fan of the second paragraph. I don't think this article should be using Wikipedia itself as a reference for the harem (genre) thing. Do we have any other references we can use? --Optichan 21:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I took out the reference from the list of references and added other references. One reference I didn't use in this review of Ai Yori Aoshi there is the suggestion that OMG as well as basically all seinen is harem: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/ai-yori-aoshi/manga. Generally speaking, words tend to get stretched in their definition, its human nature and I'd reference a cognitive science or linguistic book, but again I'm too lazy to flip through them until someone complains. However, there are hundreds of articles on prototypes and exemplars, as well the infantile tendency to overgeneralize (infantile, basic tendencies, are often found to influence adults), all showing that words do, in fact, get used in the looser way Jaydubayubee 05:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magical Boyfriend

I would like to see a mention of gender reversed takes on the genre, but right now the only title I can think of is Absolute Boyfriend. Also, would anyone know if there are any same-sex versions? --Paul Soth (talk) 11:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

  • What we really need is a separate article about it..

I'm pretty sure I've heard of this before, so I don't see a reason why we couldn't have an article on it, however, I don't think this should be part of this article. We may talk about it briefly, yes, but I believe a source would be needed first and I believe it would be separate enough that it would require a new article more than it would a reference to it in this one. Repku (talk) 13:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)