Talk:M (New York City Subway service)
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[edit] Description
Do we really need that section? I don't think it's important to go into that detail about the subway service. I mean, the crunch of the service details are already in the summary and subway service pattern. The M is the only article that has this section.The Legendary Ranger 10:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Alleged confusion
An editor has tried several times to insert:
- When it runs its full length, the M is the only line in the entire system that leaves and re-enters the same borough (Brooklyn). During rush hours, this is sometimes a source of confusion for riders boarding in Manhattan seeking a "Brooklyn-bound" M train.
The first sentence is obvious. I don't know how interesting or relevant it is, but it is clearly true. But the second sentence is an opinion, and therefore needs to be backed up with reliable sources. It isn't sufficient that an editor thinks it is true or has experienced it himself. Without verification, it is considered original research.
For what it's worth, the statement seems dubious. The M is almost exclusively a commuter train. And a commuters—people who ride the same route every day—will generally know where they are going, practically in their sleep.
But in any case, I have no obligation to disprove the statement. The burden of proof is on the editor who wishes to add it. Please find a reliable source (something you can cite with a footnote, such as a newspaper article). Otherwise, however true you may believe it to be, it has no place in Wikipedia. Marc Shepherd (talk) 21:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure if it is confusing to riders. However, it is still a fact that at that time, the M runs through the same borough twice in one trip, so I added that fact in, but no the opinion about riders being confused about this. I mean, after September 11, the J also ran through the same borough twice replacing the R in Brooklyn. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 17:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
- I can live with that fact written in without the "opinion", because it what makes the M unique. While daily riders of the M will not be confused by the M going to Brooklyn twice, there are people who do not ride the M normally and then have to take the M for whatever reason to Brooklyn. I have seen several cases where people looking for some stop on the M in Brooklyn and then look horrified and get off when they figure out that their train is running in the opposite direction (though the train is in Brooklyn). Here's a conversation I had with an individual at Fulton Street...
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- Dude: Is this the M to Brooklyn?
- Me: Yeah. What stop are you looking for?
- Dude: Flushing Ave.
- Me: Go to the opposite platform. Walk down to the A/C platform, walk down the platform and find the stairs that leads back up to the Queens bound M side. That M train will go to your stop first [I say Queens side because no train on this platform heads to Queens.]
- If I just said yeah in response to his original question, he would have headed to Brooklyn and then wondered where is Flushing Ave. I've had similar conversations with other customers.
