Wikipedia talk:Lyrics and poetry

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Talk page for lyrics and poetry. Please see Discussion below. Dunc|☺ 29 June 2005 20:47 (UTC)

Contents 1 External link to lyrics 2 Proposed merge 3 Is this a guideline? 4 Translations 5 Consensus 6 Don't include overly-long lyrics

[edit] External link to lyrics

There are plenty of web sites that provide song lyrics, ignoring copyright [1]. Is it acceptable to link to them? Cdyson37 | (Talk) 12:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

There's nothing that says you can't link to those sites, but as they are in violation of copyright, they are probably very poor sources. But for lyrics, you can't really get much wrong there. You can link it, but it would be much more preferable to find a site that you know is not in violation of copyright. But the answer is yes, you can link it. People will just have to judge the ref for themselves. And the link should likely go in an External Links section, not the main references (unless it played an important part in the article's writing). --DanielCD 20:17, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

What says you cant is here: WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided; it's number #5 in the list at the moment. -- Mikeblas 14:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

What makes you so sure that site is ignoring copyright anyway? It looks fine to me. --DanielCD 20:21, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

What makes me sure is that the site has reproduced the lyrics, in whole, for the song. It doesn't acknowledge the author or the copyright holder's rights, or include notice of a waiver of those rights. Fair use doesn't attach, as the page in question doesn't include any critical anaylsis, education analysis, translation, or so on. There's absolutely zero value-add. -- Mikeblas 14:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:COPY clearly says, "If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." I think something to that extent needs to be added to this page so when external links are removed, the complainers can be pointed here. — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 14:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge

Hi, just a short note to let you know that the discussion regarding the proposed merge is happening at Wikipedia_talk:Don't_include_copies_of_primary_sources#Proposed_merge as it is the relevant place to discuss the merger. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 12:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Is this a guideline?

Hi, I'm wondering if the editors of this page consider this to be a full guideline. The tag at the top is different from more accepted guidelines, and that makes me wonder. One thing i'm proposing is that you use the Template:guideline, rather than the tag you have now. Please discuss it here (i'll be posting this message on other pages that have this same tag). Thanks! Fresheneesz 20:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translations

Would a page of a translation of a song in a foreign language be a copyright violation? — ShadowHalo 09:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus

This page never seems to have gone through any test of consensus to make it a guideline; it's been around for years and massivlely changed in that time, but no one ever had a straw poll or anythign to check. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't include overly-long lyrics

The article states "You should include lyrics and poetry whose copyright has expired." I disagree. I think it should say "...unless it is too long to be presentable." Something like that. Wrad (talk) 03:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)