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[edit] no mention of the grave robbery at all?

uhh....no links no story,hmmm seems fishy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.46.49.98 (talk) 18:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Johnny Vanm Zant singing

I have never heard Johnny Van Zant sing. Can anyone recommend some songs (new or classic Skynyrd) sang by Johnny?--Secret Agent Man 05:58, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

At lynyrdskynyrd.com they have some samples of SHA and Saturday Night Special with JVZ singing. Just my opinion, but he doesn't sound too good.--Alexrules43 20:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] how many platinum and gold records has lynyrd skynyrd had. and how many concerts have they sold out. and how many tickets have they sold

Well, they are the top selling band on MCA Records (now Geffen), beating the Who. I think all of their original records went gold, anyone want to help a Skynyrd fanatic out?--Alexrules43 12:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I looked up White Trash and was redirected here. I quickly removed the redirection but watch out for any future problems Hotbikerguy

[edit] Neil Young Rivalry

The notion that Skynyrd and Neil Young were actually fans of each other is actually a very recent claim. It is not necessarily factual, and is seen by many Neil Young fans as revisionist backpedaling in the name of good public relations. No one can ask Ronnie Van Zant what he thought of Neil Young, and although Young now claims that it was all in good fun, racial violence was nothing to joke about in the 1970s, especially for a singer in Neil Young's circles.

Paying tribute to a dead musician does not mean that there was never a previous rivalry. The statement that there was no rivalry should be qualified by saying that this is a recent claim made by Neil Young. Kafziel 20:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

According to the Drive By Truckers on their Southern Rock Opera Album the Neil Young song "Powderfinger" was written for Skynyrd but they didn't get round to recording it before the plane crash - although I don't have anything to back this up the rest of the stuff on the album about Skynyrd / Neil Young / Aretha Franklin etc is true so I'm sure they got this from somewhere credible.

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Steve: I think there is evidence that Ronnie Van Zant and Neil Young liked and respected each other in the 1970s, such as Van Zant wearing a Neil Young T-shirt. For what it's worth, here's what it says in Neil Young's 2003 biography, Shakey (p. 336):

>>Always game for a good joke, especially one that put his name on the radio, Young would laud "Sweet Home Alabama" in a 1975 interview, telling Bud Scoppa, "I can't do songs like 'Southern Man.' I'd rather play the Lynyrd Skynyrd song. That'd be great." Van Zant was a huge Young fan; the cover of the last original Skynyrd album, Street Survivors, shows him wearing his omnipresent Tonight's the Night T-shirt. Hearing the news that Van Zant and members of the band had been killed in a plane crash, Young played a medley of "Alabama"/"Sweet Home Alabama" in a tribute during a November 12, 1977 concert in Miami. Rumor has it that Van Zant was buried in the Tonight's the Night T-shirt.<<

[edit] Controversy - Dead Kennedys and "A Commercial"

For the record, no vandalism or inappropriate POV was intended by recent elaborations to the "Controversy" section of this article dealing with the Dead Kennedy's song "A Commercial". The changes may have been determined to have not followed POV or other applicable protocol and I certainly respect decisions made to ensure the accuracy and content neutrality of Wikipedia entries; I think, however, there was at least some validity to the disputed/deleted elaborations. The section in question reads, "[o]thers believe that this desecration was motivated by the 1986 Dead Kennedys track "A Commercial" which mockingly refered to exhuming the bodies of Lynyrd Skynyrd." The Dead Kennedys song in question indeed mentions "exhuming the bodies of Lynyrd Skynyrd". To wit:

"Have we got a telethon for you coming soon on MTV! A rockin' bankroll extravaganza featuring all your vigilante rock stars! Sammy Hagar...Sylvester Stallone...Clint Eastwood. It's so important we've even exhumed the bodies of Lynyrd Skynyrd! This ain't no sissy concert to raise food for the needy; this concerts whipped up the American way to raise money for guns for the greedy! So stay tuned and dig in those heels for...USA FOR SOUTH AFRICA!"

While it may be true that "[o]thers believe" these lyrics motivated the desecration of Lynyrd Skynyrd member graves in 2000, asserting that people "believe" something is, at best, a factual non-assertion. People believe a lot of things (especially about song lyrics and other forms of poetic expression) but belief alone doesn't make an assertion reasonable, valid, or relevant. A "belief" argument offered as fact or (here) factual possibility is just a variation of appeal to belief fallacy: "Most people believe that a claim, X, is true. Therefore X is true." For what it's worth, I "believe" that it's misleading to imply a possible connection between "A Commercial" and the grave descration, especially given the overall lyrical thurst and context of "A Commercial" (as I discussed elsewhere). A more accurate phrasing for the section in question might be: "The 1986 Dead Kennedys track "A Commercial" [1] satirically referred to exhuming the bodies of Lynyrd Skynyrd. While some posit a connection between these lyrics and the 2000 desecration of Lynryd Skynyrd members' graves, no evidence has been offered to date to confirm or refute any connection between the two." Unless, of course, such evidence does exist. It's not mentioned/cited in the article, and I don't know of any myself. In any event, I won't submit the edit suggested above because I really don't want to flog a dead horse, I respect the work everyone puts into Wikipedia and the tricky POV decisions that have to be made, and I'm glad to have made my minor point in this forum. Very metal 03:04, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I understand your argument but the sentence isn't asserting that the desecration of Lynyrd Skynyrd's graves was motivated by the Dead Kennedy's track, only that this was a theory proposed at the time (in the popular UK music press). The facts of what happened are quite clear, however I think we ought to include all the alternative explanations for them unless one is shown to be true. Conch Shell 09:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

The text correctly refers to the fact that the band have never been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame - however this is due to change at the 2006 ceremony.

[edit] documentary

As a kid, I remember watching a documentary about Lynyrd Skynyrd before the main movie (instead of previews). Does anyone else remember this, and is it available on dvd or vhs?

I saw a VH1 documentary from a while back, I think I actually have that on my computer somewhere. I can't remember if it was before the main movie, but it was more about the band. 68.154.158.191 18:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
wasn't logged in. Zchris87v 18:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I remember that documenary, it was played before the movie "Grease", sometime in 1977.

[edit] Pronunciation Contradiction

The pronunciation for Lynyrd Skynyrd is different at the start of the article ("lin-nerd skin-nerd") and different in the first picture caption, which reads "leh-nerd skin-nerd"

  • Correction- The start of the article has the pronunciation ("lin-nerd skin-nerd") and the first picture caption has the name of their album which, if you look at the discography, is "pronounced leh-nerd skin-nerd".

[edit] International usage

"Airplane" was changed to "aircraft" (and reverted by myself) for "International Usage". Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. I suggest we change "Southern Rock Band" to "Southern United States American Rock Band". Zchris87v 22:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] grounded in a plane crash?

does that sound intentionally ironic to anyone else? i dont think its appropriateKarlJohannes 20:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Guitar Hero?

Should the main article mention that Freebird's featured in the video game Guitar Hero 2? Perhaps a trivia entry? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.218.235.39 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC). YES!!

[edit] The Who's Quadrophenia Tour

I put a [citation needed] next to the frankly outrageous claim that The Who refused to follow Lynyrd Skynyrd at a concert. Any concert. If a legitimate citation isn't there in a week, I will delete the claim. Feel free to delete the claim ahead of time. Clashwho 02:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Briscoes' entrance theme

Professional wrestling tag team the Briscoe Brothers currently use Lynyrd Skynyrd's song Gimme Back My Bullets as their entrance theme. I added it quite a while ago but somebody deleted it and I don't see why as the article still says that the Fabolous Freebirds used the song Free Bird when they were active.

Please explain why it was removed. 83.233.58.34 00:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sudden Change In Mood

In the plane crash section of the article, in paragraph two, the sentence pops out of the normal, factual mood: "Powell also claimed that Ronnie Van Zant's head had been smashed." Now is smashed Powell's word or the author's word? If it's the author's word, it shifts the mood from a sort of calm factual and slightly eerie tone to a more grotesque action scene and I think it should be changed. If it's Powell's word, it should be in quotation marks. Comments? 24.214.146.40 22:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.214.146.40 (talk) 22:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Burns

"Mysteriously, security manager Gene Odom was seriously burned on his arm and face in the crash, which involved no explosion or fire since the plane was out of fuel." Even though there wasn´t sufficient fuel to keep engines running, there would definetely still be fuel in the wing tanks at the impact. Fuel tanks in aircrafts are not drained from the bottom, but from a point above the bottom. This is to prevent water to be sucked from the fuel tanks into the engines. (Can´t avoid a certain amount of water in the fuel tanks, due to condensation of humidity. -The water is more dense than fuel, and the fuel will float on top of the water...) Even without any fuel at all in the wing tanks, the aircraft would still contain flammable engine oil that may have ignited during the crash. Or Mr. Odom may mave been physically in contact with hot engine parts, or the burns have been caused by something as simple as boiling water from an on-board coffee maker. Alternatively, an electric fire could have started at the impact. Lots of different possibilities to endure burns during an a/c crash, even when "out of fuel".


[edit] Plane Crash site

I traveled to the page seeking some other info, but I want to leave a note for someone to check upon this. I am pretty positive (99.99999%) that the plane crash in 1977 was not in "McComb, Mississippi" but in a swamp in Gillsburg, Mississippi. For us that are old enough to remember those days, McComb was (probably still is) the closest city to the plane crash site and where the members were taken for medical treatment. Subsequently all their impromptu and shocking press conferences done outside the hospital were also done in McComb, for what I remember, therefore I can understand the confusion. Someone with some more time, should check upon this fact, and if I am correct, should change the crash site to the correct one.

I lived in Magnolia, MS at the time. The plane did not crash in McComb, MS. When it ran out of fuel, the plane turned around trying to get back to a very small airport in Fernwood, MS. which is between Gillsburg proper and McComb. The physical address of the Johnny Mote farm that the plane crashed on was Gillsburg. It was not in a swamp either, just deep in the woods on a farm, by a creek and it had rained alot that day. Stephstamps1 (talk) 18:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs Reference/Trivia/Pop Culture Section

There are plenty of references to Lynyrd Skynyrd throughout pop culture, so I think it's best of they have some kind of section that points this out. Some Examples would be Freebird in Guitar Hero II, "Lynyrd" and "Skynyrd" being names of two redneck dogs in Without a Paddle, and the reference to the plane crash in an episode of King of the Hill. There's plenty more I'm sure. BreakerLOLZ 06:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, the movie Con Air mentions Lynyrd Skynyrd in that the convicts were dancing to Sweet Home, Alabama on a plane. A character pointed out the irony of jumping up and down on a plane to a song in which many of the band's members died in a plane crash.

I remember a minor character on Beavis and Butt-Head who would be at a concert or something and shout out "Play some Skynyrd, man!".Sposato (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hard Rock

When have they ever been hard rock? 67.188.172.165 17:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Their entire career. 74.77.208.52 04:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The term "Southern Rock" did not exsist back in the 70's. Lynyrd skynyrd fan 03:10, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Of course the term Southern rock existed back in the '70s. That's when it was coined. And yes, Lynyrd Skynyrd's music also was referred to as hard rock. (Mark Kemp) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.249.107.10 (talk) 02:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discography is Incomplete!!!

What's Your Name (an album) was released in 1991. It has songs that were previously released but it certainly exists. Go to Amazon.com if you don't believe me. FreebirdTuesdaysGone (talk) 01:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Someone seriously needs to research the muscle shoals album. Read the liner notes. It was not supposed to be a demo. This article has almost no early history of the band. Read the liner notes from the muscle shoals album —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevin.c.mahoney (talk • contribs) 05:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

They shoulda included the family album, which includes .38, Rossington Collins, and Van Zant reunited with "Sweet Home Alabama", "Freebird", and "What's Your Name?".Sposato (talk) 00:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

"Discography" is of Lynyrd Skynyrds record releases, Mca released records also, like "Whats your name", "Turn up the music",Skynyrds Inyrds"24.182.197.59 (talk) 01:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discography needs work

If you look at other bands from the era, chart information is provided (when available). Lynyrd Skynyrd is one of the most famous bands of the seventies, yet this information isn't present. I've looked in various places, and haven't seen this data anywhere. I mean, those early albums had to have placed in the charts.Ingres77 (talk) 07:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

All of the chart listings from the american charts gets deleted. If you want to find this out you got to go to billboard.biz. But you got to be a member to see the chart informasion from the 60s 70s and 80. Or you can find other sources like this one [2]--Freedom (song) (talk) 18:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Singles

How many music videoes have been released by the band. Please help me i need this for the Lynyrd Skynyrd discography. --Freedom (song) (talk) 15:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guitarists

I know that Rickey Medlocke of Blackfoot and Hughie Thommason of The Outlaws both played with Skynyrd, but were they ever in the group at the same time? --Cubs Fan (talk) 01:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)