Talk:Lupertazzi crime family

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[edit] Other NY Families

In season two, when Junior Soprano is arrested, the FBI Interrogator says that they 'want' Johhny 'Sack' Sacrimoni, but even more want 'Mangano and Teresi'. They do not mention Carmine Lupertazzi here. Is it possible Lupertazzi became Boss between Seasons 2 and 5?

They could have been talking about two bosses of the other Crime Families. Chalk it up to inconsistant storytelling.

[edit] Billy Leotardo

I'm not certain, but I don't believe that Billy Leotardo was a made man, so he should be listed as an associate, not a soldier. When Tony Visits Junior, junior indicates that Billy had not been made.

Junior had no idea what he was talking about...he even called Billy Phil's son.

[edit] Butch's rank

Butch is definitely the underboss. There's no way a captain would get to sit in on Phil's meeting with Albie like that. Phil ordered the leadership of another family killed, he's only going to discuss that with his number 2 and number 3. Albie's consigliere so that makes Butch underboss.

[edit] Possibly based on Colombo crime family.

"Due to its large size, the Lupertazzi crime family likely represents either the Gambino or Genovese crime families."

Firstly, how are we sure of the size of the Lupertazzi crime family? We don't here anything much of the other New York families which makes the Lupertazzi's appear dominant (reflective of the Gambinos or Genoveses) but this could simply be 'inconsistent storytelling' as one person above stated, but this is just an assumption made from the other families not being in the show. Maybe we could assume that the Lupertazzis have a stronger relationship with the DiMeo family then the other New York families do but there is nothing to say the Lupertazzis are the biggest family in New York. Or is there? I know the article doesn't say this directly.

Anyway, here is the similarities a friend of mine came up with to suggest that the Lupertazzis have more in common with the Colombo crime family lead by Carmine Persico.

1. Carmine Lupertazzi and Carmine Persico

2. Similar appearance - old, bald, "fish lips"

3. Season 5: it was mentioned that Lupertazzi had been boss for over 30 years; uncommonly long time for someone to remain boss however Carmine Persico we all know has been boss of the Colombos for over 30 years.

4. Lupertazzi and Persico both have sons (respectively Little Carmine for Lupertazzi and Carmine Jr. and Little Allie Boy for Persico) who spent time in Florida (South Florida specifically) with business down there.

and no.5 When Lupertazzi dies a war breaks out between those loyal to John Sacramoni, Lupertazzi's underboss and logical successor and those loyal to his son Little Carmine for control of the family. When Persico was sent to prison a war broke out between those loyal to Victor Orena, Persico's acting boss and those loyal to his son and him for control of the family.

I am sure the Lupertazzis are an amalgamation of various New York families and in the show, although it does depict NY of having five families, represents the New York mafia as a whole. In real life all five families have a presence in NJ. These similarities however are quite profound ones and maybe it could be included in the article with of course the correct sourcing of facts. Alexbonaro 11:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doc Santoro

I removed Doc's rank of boss, because he 1) only held the title for about a week or two, 2) was doomed from the moment he killed Gerry, and was only living on borrowed time lent to him by Phil, 3) wasn't long enough to affect policy whatsoever; even Johnny made decisions from prison for 2 years.

[edit] Tony B. also Lupertazzi Associate?

Could Tony Blundetto also be listed as an Associate of Little Carmine's crew since he did a hit on behalf of Little Carmine and Angelo Garepe? This was before he rejoined the Soprano family. MrBlondNYC 19:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)