Talk:Luke Ford

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Contents 1 spelling of name? 2 Picture use 3 Libellous statements 4 Removal of link to LukeFord.net 5 "Orthodox conversion is unverified, only a claim" 6 Continued writing

[edit] spelling of name?

Mark Wallice or Marc Wallice?

[edit] Picture use

Just a short note that Luke has generously consented to allow the photos from lukeisback.com to be posted to Wikipedia under a Creative Commons 2.5 license. See here for more details.

[edit] Libellous statements

We have been contacted about libellous statements about Ford being prone to sweeping generalisations. Please do not restore the statement without verifiable sources. Capitalistroadster 03:47, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of link to LukeFord.net

I had the following exchange with AnonEMouse:

Any particular reason you removed the links to his sites from his article? Since they're how he makes a living, and most of the reason for his fame, they're fairly important, in my humble opinion. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 14:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I removed lukeford.net because of it's gross accusations of innocent people and does not deserve the credibility of Wikipedia. He recently removed some of his libelous content that is already there as a "settlement out of court" before his court case was closed. Many, many such libelous statement remain. I apologize for removing lukeford.com; that was my mistake.

--ShalomAlYisrael 14:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is what the Wikipedia:External_links style guide has to say:

• What should be linked to. 2.: "Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if there is one."
• Links normally to be avoided: "...for example, if the subject of an article has an official website, then it should be linked to even if it contains factually inaccurate material."

That something we link to may be libelous is not considered a sufficient reason to remove the link. We link to the official site of The National Enquirer, Star Magazine, and similar Supermarket tabloids, which get sued for libel more in a year than Luke Ford in a lifetime. What we should do is note that Ford has been accused of inaccuracy and libel, and I think the article does that: "Prominent porn stars ... criticised the errors and inaccuracy" , "He was sued for defamation multiple times". All that has been cited with links to verifiable, reputable, reliable sources - see Wikipedia: Verifiability. If you have additional published information about that, please write about it, and give a citation - or, if you prefer, just give me the citation link, and I'll add it to the article. But we link to many worse things here from Wikipedia than merely LukeFord.net: American Nazi Party, Hezbollah ...AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 14:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Orthodox conversion is unverified, only a claim"

This is about my reversion of this edit. For someone who feels strongly about their religion, saying that they only claim to have genuinely converted to it, is often considered insulting. According to most sources, Ford feels rather strongly about his religious identity as an Orthodox Jew: it plays a major part in his biography, he wrote at least one book, "Rebel Without A Shul", about it, and started several blogs mostly about Judaism in general, and his Judaism in particular. Therefore, according to the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy unless we find reasonably respected published sources that actively question his claim to have converted, we need to take his word for it, and not cast doubt on it without such sources.

If we do find verifiable sources questioning the conversion, and can cite their objections, then I will supporting restoring the "claims" language. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 16:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Continued writing

I have removed the following sentence from the article: "He later retracted this statement and continues to write for lukeisback.com." Luke has advised me otherwise in an email:

The final sentence in my wikipedia profile is false on both counts: "He later retracted this statement and continues to write for lukeisback.com."

I haven't written a word for the site since Oct. 22 when I announced it had been sold. The new owner (wishes to be anonymous to avoid the aggravation of writing a gossip site) has imitated my style at times but it is plainly different... He has also cut and pasted some lukeford.net entries...

Article changed to reflect this information. Tabercil (talk) 22:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)