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[edit] Affair with Perotto

The account of Lucrezia's pregnancy in this article is contradictory. Was the child the messenger's, or her brother Cesare's? If there is no historical consensus on this, then that needs to be explicitly stated. This isn't my field by any means, so is there someone out there who can fix this? Gwimpey 21:36, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

          It's worse than that: in one sentence, it unequivocally states that she was pregnant when her marriage was annulled for                                 
          nonconsummation, and then later states that it's unclear she was the mother  (yetivelorry@yahoo.com, July 11, 2007).


It's worse than THAT; there is reasonable evidence that the Roman Infant was NOT Lucrezia's child at all. The pope himself stated in a secret Papal Bull that it was his child with his mistress, which would have been Guillia, though that's not stated. The fact that he was the pope at the time would have been scandalous enough to keep the issue somewhat nebulous, which is how it became attributed to Lucrezia. I think a LOT of this article is POV, because it doesn't give any of the OTHER information, that contradicts some of the assertions. It's quite possible that, while Lucrezia was PRESENT at some truly reprehensible actions of her brothers and father, she herself was by an large fairly exemplary for her time in her behavior. Bill Ward 01:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage to Alfonso V?

Alfonso V of Aragon died in 1458, more than 20 years before Lucrezia's birthdate (as listed in this article). Either someone's dates are extremely inaccurate, or this marriage did not take place. Could someone correct this, please?


Actually, his name his Alfonso of Aragon, illegitimate son to Alfonso II of Aragaon, king of Naples. He was never crowned and never ruled any country. I think the "V" is only a mistake.

[edit] Briana Banks?

In the reference to Lucrezia's marriage to Giovanni Sforza, it is mentioned that the "wedding was a scandalous event due to... Sforza [making love to] the pornstar of the time Briana Banks." Was there really a Briana Banks in the 15th century? It's more likely someone just wanted to sneak in the name of a contemporary porn starlet.

[edit] Pantaloons?

but she loved lighting fireworks and sticking them down Cesare Borgia's pantaloons

i'm going to go out on a limb here, but i'm guessing that this is just someone having fun with wikipedia. i can't find any references to this anywhere. should probably be removed

[edit] Mario Puzo

I think this article is VERY heavily influenced by Mario Puzo's "The Family" which is a complete work of historical fiction. I mean, all this talk about subplots and whatnot sure sounds very literary and not exactly like it came from some authentic historical accounts.

[edit] Lucrezia's Chrildren

Ercole II d'Este, Duke of Ferrara (April 5, 1508 - October 3, 1559). Ippolito II d'Este (August 25, 1508 - December 1, 1572). Archbishop of Milan and later Cardinal.

Given the close birthdates one of them must be wrong. Does anyone know the correct information?

[edit] Lucrezia's complicity in her father's politics

For an alternative point of view, showing Lucrezia as not active or complicit in her father's political activities, see Maria Bellonci's study (Lucrezia Borgia: La sua vita e i suoi tempi, Milan, 1939). She is depicted rather as a pawn in his wranglings. One should also consider how her earlier life is viewed in relation to its end, as a nun of the tertiary order in the Franciscan convent of Ferrara. The negative view of her may (though no study has been carried out) have its roots in anti-Borgia propaganda of the time.

[edit] Borgia in Blackadder

Lucrezia is mentioned in the first episode of Blackadder Goes Forth. When Private Baldrick suggests a cunning plan to avoid going over the top by cooking the High Command a meal, Leftenant George says it's a great idea, to which Captain Blackadder responds 'Or alternatively, the biggest mass-poisoning since Lucrezia Borgia invited 200 of her closest friends over for a cheese and anthrax party!'

*5*00 friends, *wine* and anthrax. But close enough 172.189.80.151 23:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To add-- Witchblade appearance.

Lucrezia Borgia was also featured in an episode ("Ubique" series finale) of Witchblade. She was played by Kate Levering.

[edit] Legends/Rumors

I deleted the unsourced legends and rumors, they aren't verifiable and don't seem to present an unbiased view of Borgia. For example, contending that she poisoned people at parties with a hollow ring...unless you have some way of verifying that, it doesn't deserve to be in, even if it is labeled a legend. Epsoul 05:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This legend is extremely famous (whether it's true or not) and certainly should be in the article. It's discussed at length in Rafael Sabatini's biography of Cesare Borgia [1] linked from Cesare's article. 67.117.130.181 04:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I find it ridculous that there's no mention of poisoning - it's the only reason most people will have heard of her and is referenced in countless works (see Blackadder quote above)! Cavie78 11:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name

If her name is Lucrezia, why does her gravestone say LVCRETIE which would give a nominative Lucretia? --Nantonos 11:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Because it's the Italian version, not the English version of the name, and LVCRETIE would be the Latin. --RB3 18:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cesare's "syphilis"

Is there any source for the comment about Cesare having syphilis? It's not mentioned on his page, and I find it a bit hard to believe that he recovered from syphilis at that period in history. Could it be meant to be smallpox? Or completely made up? -- RB3 18:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Novels

Lucrezia and Cesare Borgia also appear in the novel City of God by Cecelia Holland

[edit] References

I notice that the source citations in this article are not formatted according to the style recommendations in the WP Manual of Style; I'm willing to work on cleaning them up. Are there any objections to the use of templates for this? And if templates are acceptable to the interested editors here, which family of citation templates are preferred, {{Citation}} or "Cite xxx" (e.g. {{Cite book}}) ? Or is there any preference? --LBourne (talk) 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)