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[edit] Too much speculation

This article has an absurd amount of original research; anyone care to clean it up a bit?

Placed some tags here and there, i dont think it'll work though.
I've cleaned up this article considerably and added citations as well.--J.D. (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Good work! Lugnuts (talk) 18:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
And found some sources for the outstanding fact tag about the 2 thumbs down. Lugnuts (talk) 12:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Back to "Start"

The article is a mess of both original research and a little bit of fancruft, its in no way a "B" article, it needs wikipedians who care enough about the article to make it competent. I also took the liberty of grading the article as "Mid importance", seeing how is from a famous director and how it wasnt really much of cultural significance beyond cult following, then the logical would be "Mid" instead of "high".--Kessingler 05:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Lost Highway → Lost Highway (film) — New Bon Jovi album also called "Lost Highway" has been announced and page has been made at Lost Highway (album). Can an admin please move the existing Lost Highway article to Lost Highway (film) and redirect Lost Highway to Lost Highway (disambiguation)? I think most people searching for Lost Highway will now want the album and not the ten-year old film. Thanks. SuperCoolAl 10:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~. Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

[edit] Survey - in support of the move

  1. Support. See my comments in "Discussion" below. Ccoll 15:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
  2. Support, "Lost Highway" has been the title of a song for nearly 50 years before it was the name of the film, I don't think any one "Lost Highway"s should have priority over the others. LDHan 17:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
But that song doesn't even have it's own article! Lugnuts 08:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey - in opposition to the move

  1. Disagree I think the film is/will be more well known than an upcoming Bon Jovi album, and the page should remain the same with the disambig link at the top. Compare with the searching for their previous albums Crush and Bounce. Lugnuts 12:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
    • I would like to comment that if you search for Crush or Bounce it goes straight to disambiguation, which is what I am asking for for this album! SuperCoolAl 13:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
      • but those are common words that need a disambig page. Lost Highway isn't a common everyday word and the first search should be the most popular entry, with disambig to other meanings at the top of the page. In other words, as it is now. Lugnuts 16:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
  2. Disagree LH is an important movie of a significant director. The current relevance of BJ is minor, at most. I am against the move. Tomixdf 14:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
  3. Disagree I agree with the above comments. The film definitely has more merit and a legacy behind it while the BJ album is just being released. Maybe in a few years time if it has achieved any kind of stature on its own but not now. Count Ringworm 14:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
  4. Disagree I also agree with the above comments. Lost Highway is an important art film not to be reduced to a petty disambiguation page because of an unimportant album by Bon Jovi. cun 15:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
  5. Oppose The film is the clear primary use of "Lost Highway".
    Google hits; "Lost Highway" + Lynch = 685,000 —— "Lost Highway" + "Bon Jovi" = 142,000. That's nearly a 6:1 ratio for the film. A Bon Jovi album considered more important than a classic Lynch film? Never gonna happen. Croxley 04:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
    • May I comment that the Bon Jovi album was literally announced two days ago? I think approximately one fifth of the hits for a film that has had ten years to ramp up Google hits is pretty good, to be honest. I am not saying the album is necessarily more important than the film, merely that the album is important enough for the disambiguation page to come up first. SuperCoolAl 09:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
      • So why don't Crush and Bounce link directly to the albums (and have a disambig link on them) instead of going to a disambig page first? Lugnuts 12:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
        • Eh? I'm not against the disambig page coming up first. In fact that's what I want! SuperCoolAl 22:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
          • Those Google hits for "Lost Highway" + "Bon Jovi" are misleadingly impressive though, the vast majority of those will merely be press releases or one sentence news pieces in the press, unlike the Google hits for the film. Croxley 02:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
  6. Oppose The album has not been released, and may even change names before then. 70.55.88.134 04:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Add any additional comments:

This seems a bit premature, considering it's the just the working title of an album. The movie was made by a major director, so I doubt its age is an important factor in the amount of searches it gets. However, if you follow through on it, the disambiguation page should be moved to "Lost Highway". "Lost Highway" should not redirect to "Lost Highway (disambiguation)". Dekimasuよ! 11:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The album title is now official it was announced yesterday. Thanks for your comments SuperCoolAl 11:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Agree with Dekimasu on this one. Lugnuts 12:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with SuperCoolAl in supporting a primary disambiguation page. The movie, the album, the record label, and the documentary series (see the current disambiguation page) are probably all referring to the song made famous by Hank Williams. If anything, that should be the main page. Though this may be my favorite film and I am no Bon Jovi fan, I disagree with the decision to prioritize it over other "Lost Highway"s. Ccoll 15:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I tend to agree, although I wouldn't go as far as suggesting the song should be the main page as the film is probably more well known amongst the general public, but I do think "Lost Highway" should be a disambig page with the song first on the list in chronological order. LDHan 17:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 09:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin

I removed this section and placed it here because it seems to fall under the category of speculation. I think the key is the opening sentence that states, "The storyline is likely based on..." The presence of "likely" does not suggest fact at all. Not to mention, I have not come across any article or interview with Lynch or Gifford where they state that this was in fact the inspiration behind the film. Also, the sources listed in this paragraph cite a discussion forum and a film review -- hardly authoritative sources. Lynch has made it pretty clear, and this is stated in the article as it exists with citations, what inspired the film. --J.D. (talk) 19:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It is widely believed that the movie is actually based on the story, and that in itself is a fact worth mentioning. And since when are external film reviews not worthy sources in articles on movies? I'm not surprised that Lynch keeps quiet about this - it makes the movie very easy to interpret, which more or less spoils the surprise/mystery. Would like to hear other people's thoughts on this section! I strongly feel it is NOT speculation, and deserves to be there. Tomixdf (talk) 21:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

As I said, one source is from a discussion forum, which, if I'm not mistaken, is frowned upon by Wiki guidelines as a reputable source. The other is a review and therefore it belongs in a different section, like Reception, or maybe a new one, like, say Theories, but not under Production because there is no source (that I can find) where Lynch or Gifford, the two primary authors of this film, have stated it as an influence or inspiration for what they made. Therefore, it can only be seen as speculation. --J.D. (talk) 21:21, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Fine. I'll look up some more solid references and re-add the section.Tomixdf (talk) 22:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Kewl. Works for me. --J.D. (talk) 14:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Great. Final version indeed looks much better - glad we reached consensus. Tomixdf (talk) 21:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)