Talk:Lope de Aguirre

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Can anybody verify any of this? It is my understanding that although Aguirre existed, much of what is presented here is legend invented by Werner Herzog.

In the audio commentary of Aguirre Herzog clearly states, that the diary on which the movie whole movie based is purely fictious, I'd like to see some sources too. -- Neatlittleeraser 11:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Original letter

I don't think that this page is entirely factual. I believe the part about the flogging is from a novel about Aguirre. I will check some sources and get back to you. --Wuapinmon 20:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)wuapinmon

Can anybody provide any evidence as to the location of the Spanish original of the letter for which an English translation is provided at the bottom of the page? Is it in the Archivo General de Indias in Seville? Have there been any published English translations or are we to rely on some relatively inscrutable internet translation? The page for the translation only cites that it is "translated from the version published in A. Arellano Moreno (org.), Documentos para la Historia economic de Venezuela, (Caracas: Univ. Central, 1961)" SCRA5071 01:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Carta de Lope de Aguirre al Rey Felipe II (in Spanish). --Sugaar (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

The article is very POV and based mostly in the distorted POVs of Herzog (I hate that film! - what a pathetic mixture of tragedy and bad jokes!) and Spanish institutions. It needs a throughout review. --Sugaar 21:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crazy?

Did they ever figure out what made Aguirre so crazy? Has he been diagnosed a sociopath by modern experts? 24.91.121.27 00:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Not from Herzog

It's worth pointing out that hardly any of the occurrences recounted on the Aguirre page come from the Herzog film. Herzog's film contains no backstory whatsoever, portrays Aguirre's expedition as an offshoot of one of Pizarro's expeditions, is narrated by a fictional priest, and ends with Aguirre alone on a raft floating on the river. Nothing about Aguirre being flogged, or chasing a judge, or killing his own daughter, or being executed. There's the bit where he claims to be the king of Peru, though. Slocombe (talk) 22:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I mean the entry paragraph that depicts Lope in such a bad light: Aguirre was renowned for his treacherous and brutal exploits. Maybe it has some other source. Sorry about he confussion.
Anyhow, I'll edit that awful entry myself. --Sugaar (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)