Talk:Load (album)

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[edit] <^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>

I think there's a problem with the last paragraph of the overview, the one that starts with:

"In the end, subjective musical tastes aside, it can at least be said that by objective measures Load is exceptional."

This strikes me as extremely subjective and POV. I certainly don't think that the album is objectively exceptional. AMG only gave Load a 2.5/5 rating, and they're supposedly rating by "objective" standards. That entire paragraph reeks of POV, and if no one objects in a weeks time, I will remove it. DaveTheRed 02:51, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure the author meant "Load is exceptionally good" but it should be removed regardless, as it does read POV. I think the statement was basically referring to Load as an exceptional Metallica album, which it is (the band had never done anything like it, nor have they done anything similar since) MrHate 03:21, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)
On the contrary, I think that the author did mean "exceptionally good," as rest of the paragraph does nothing but heap praise on the album. If they merely meant that this album was different, the word "unique" have been much more neutral. At any rate, as it stands this paragraph needs to be removed. DaveTheRed 19:42, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • First... what the heck is POV? OMG, WTF? ;) -- Secondly, what does 'a rating by AMG' say about an album? I'm surprised quite often how certain people live by such ratings, critics etc. And thinking about the article I just read, I'd have to say that there's even a third (if not more) base of people (or 'fans') who liked 'Master of Puppets' as much as 'Load'. Personally, yes, it was an end, Load. But then again they helped me open-up. What they did was not selling-out, it was progressing. That said, there's the other interesting part: the quality of the album, the productional quality I mean (listen to the echo of Lars' drum) paired with strong songs such as 'The Outlaw Torn', 'Bleeding Me' and others. Also, the songwriting, the lyrics are stronger (than on past albums). Sure, every album is unique, I'd say. The change that started with 'The Black Album' and progressed to 'Load', that, that is exceptional. LIllIi 23:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
POV is point of view. This is when someone puts their own spin in what SHOULD be an objective article (Ex: Pantera ripped off Exhorder in almost every fashion imaginable, and diluted their style into a horrid mockery of what it should be. This is very POV) A rating by AMG can add to the article, as I'm sure someone looking into this album, or any album, would want to see what the critical reception of it was. Did Metallica sell out? Whose to say!? Do I think they "progressed"? No, they changed styles. Some would say they did this for album sales, others say it was boredom with the limits of thrash. I don't know, I don't care. All I know is, from ...And Justice For All onward, they sounded worse and worse. Cronos12390 03:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The last song, Sausalito

I think the article should mention that they had to fade-out the last song to actually fit on the record. The original version was a minute and a half or so longer. The full song was later published on a single.

The article should broaden the informative value by mentioning that the album was recorded in Sausalito. LIllIi 23:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] POV and poor un-encyclopedic text

This article looked like it was written by a 12 year old. There was a huge amount of POV and original research. It looked like a blog as opposed to an encyloedia article. I made a quick effort to clean out most of the crap. It needs a good copyedit now. I will do that a bit later. 216.21.150.44 01:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles on individual songs

Almost all of the articles on the individual songs are stubs whose info could either be merged into this article (as has been done with many of the Megadeth articles) or be deleted outright. Can we do without them? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 18:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lyrics for "Until it sleeps"

It says in the article that it's about his mother's loosing fight against cancer, but on the following fan site; http://www.encycmet.com/songs/sluis.shtml it says it was his father that had cancer. I don't know which is right of the two, but it should be corrected.

According to the article on James Hetfield, his parents both died from cancer they refused treatment for because of their religious beliefs. This song is probably about his father's cancer because I believe his mother had died some years before and his father passed away more recently. 208.242.14.105 12:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

Well, I doubt it can be described simply as "hard rock". To be metal, music doesn't need to be very heavy and fast, like early and late thrash/speed Metallica. IMHO, both Load & Reload are Black Sabbath's style, classic, slower heavy metal. Of course, in these albums, there are several softer songs, but still, the others are rather heavy, and most of them have distinguishable metal patterns, not those of hard rock.

I think "heavy metal" should be added to the genre. For both albums. Despite the interchangeability of "hard rock" and "heavy metal" definitions, if there is some controversy, both should be mentioned.

[edit] hard rock or heavy metal

I definitely consider this to be heavy metal. The band has the word 'metal' in their name. I think it's absurd to call metallica's music anything else. The band is quite literally synonymous with heavy metal. Heavy metal is an umbrella term that includes many times of sub-genres (thrash metal, death metal). Categorising this album as heavy metal would not be inappropriate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 159.53.46.141 (talk) 19:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC).


I agree that it should be classified as Heavy Metal. But should it be be classified as Thrash Metal or Speed Metal. I don't think Metallica has done a Thrash Metal album since ...And Justice for All. And I'm not sure I'd call any of their albums Speed Metal. 208.242.14.102 12:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Metallica - Load.jpg

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[edit] note about the cover art

http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=2638 "The real origins of this artwork comes from Godflesh's music video "Crush My Soul" from the album "Selfless." Kirk Hammett has been a huge fan of Godflesh and Justin (singer/guitarist of Godflesh) showed the music video to Kirk. Kirk decided that a specific scene in that music video would be a perfect cover art for the Load album, and, in interviews, Kirk never mentioned the fact that the cover art came from a Godflesh video."

[edit] "Thrash Metal" and "Speed Metal"?

Load is listed under four genres in this article; Thrash metal, speed metal, hard rock, and heavy metal. However, only the latter two can really be applied to this album. For example, one of the defining characteristics of both genres, the high speed of the music, is absent entirely from Load. Therefore, I have removed thrash metal and speed metal from the list of genres that this album falls under because while the album may fall under the hard rock and heavy metal genres the same can not be said for thrash metal and speed metal.--CP 61 21:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I removed those two genres again. They should not be listed. The only reason that I can see as to why they were brought back into the article is because AMG says that Load falls under those genres, but the simple fact is that it doesn't. If AMG said that The White Album is a melodic death metal album would that make it true? I think not.--CP 61 02:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2 X 4

I hears that the main riff of this song was written in Master of Puppets era. Is it true? 22:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)