Talk:Livonia, Michigan

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I think it is noteworthy to add that Livonia became the residential area it is today because so many houses were built after World War 2.

It seems like this article goes to too much length to point out how white the city is. The racial demographics are only notable because the city has barely 100,000 residents (probably not as of 2005 anyways). At any rate we probably don't need 3 or 4 sentences to say what could be said in one.

"Livonia has received some attention..." for its large Caucasian population. What sort of attention, and from whom? And what constitutes "noteworthy attention"? This section should be expanded/cited or deleted. mal7798 (talk · contribs)

Every so often, newspapers or TV news in the Detroit area will point out that Livonia is the "whitest city in America," and that places like Detroit and Wayne are predominantly Black. Honestly, however, this always seems like comparing apples to oranges. Livonia isn't a city in the same sense that Detroit is. Livonia is a suburb like the Grosse Pointes and Bloomfield Hills (also very white areas, but with lower populations). --messor 17:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The expression "...has received some attention..." sounds like weasel words to me trying to imply something. mal7798 (talk · contribs)

It is only notable because of the degree of the racial divide, and how incredibly stark it is, and the size of both Livonia and Detroit. We're not talking some tiny ethnic enclaves. We're talking a city of both size physically and population wise that managed to maintain a 90%+ caucasian population through its incredible decades long population boom. That is unusual and thus noteworthy. Unusual because for a large city as safe and decent as Livonia it is nearly unheard of for it not to attract a significant racial diversity. You'd think for all of its positives that it would have attracted people of all racial backgrounds, wouldn't you? And, especially since a huge amount of Detroit's black middle class has left the city, too. Why hasn't Livonia with all of its positives attracted even a tiny fractions of these middle income families? It is more definitely noteworthy, whether you like the connotations of such a fact or not is completely irrelevant. --Criticalthinker 10:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of the truth in what it implies, it is not neutral if it is in the passive voice without citations. The demographics section clearly identifies the population statistics. If the people or government of Livonia have been systematically or deliberately controlling their population, this fact should get its own section with citations presented. A vague statement of the city receiving "some attention" is inappropriate. "Livonia is the US city with the highest percentage of Caucasian residents among cities with 100,000 or more residents" is true (as of Census 2000) and perhaps noteworthy alone, but infixing "has received some attention" into this simple factual statement is a deliberate attempt to suggest suspicion.Mal7798 21:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, if that's the case, why not simply delete what you see as the subjective part instead of deleting the whole thing? I'll find a citation for you. --Criticalthinker 08:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
There's no need for an entire heading specifically on racism in Livonia. If these facts must be included, they should be included elsewhere. And saying that there is little racism in Livonia today is, I think, more than a little presumptuous. Primeromundo 01:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Vandalism

There seems to be alot of vandalism attributed to one single IP, is there any way to block it without locking down the entire page? BT14 05:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

added protection, high schoolers are obviously behind the vandalism. Locked until further discussion. BT14 06:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the article is still unprotected. Only an administrator can protect the article. The semi-protect tag at the top of the article does nothing. You need to make a request for protection if you want to semi-protect the article. I have removed the semi-protect tag. --Coaster1983 14:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

"The place to be" is Westland's motto not Livonia's nickname.......Livonia's current motto is "People Come First"

[edit] Food

This section just seems like blatant advertising...there is no doubt that Bates, Han-D-Dip, and Senate are recognizable Livonia icons, but the part about first day of summer is when Han-D-Dip opens is stretching the truth.....maybe a simple list of Livonia Icons would be better here

I agree. It's almost tempting to rewrite the whole section. It doesn't seem the slightest bit encyclopedic; it sounds like a tourism guide Jay42 19:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dani Woodward

I'm sorry, but the random name of a porn actress who happened to graduate high school and didn't actually grow up in Livonia is not worthy of mention here. Does not fit the requirement for notable people as per wikipedia guidlines. BT14 (talk) 20:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)