Talk:List of ships (The Culture)

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[edit] Merge

Sounds fine to me. --Guinnog 14:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Disagree. This is a big enough article in its own right, if they are merged the other article will be %90 a ship names list with a small section about types. --Shogun 01:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Also disagree, for the same reasons. The subject area is, somewhat scarily, large enough to warrant keeping the articles seperate. 213.166.72.5 09:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming

Should ship names be italicised as per standard publishing tradition?

[edit] VFP vs. (d)ROU

VFP is an euphemism. To quote "Use of Weapons": "And what the hell's a "very fast picket" anyway?" "New name for a (Demilitarized) Rapid Offensive Unit"..."It's supposed to sound better."

Also, the "D" in ROU is round-bracketed throughout Banks' work.

Fair enough, I did not know this was described thus. PS, please sign your talk page posts with four tildes like this ~~~~ MadMaxDog 05:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, haven't created a username yet ;-)

[edit] Ships named in more than one book?

I just read Look to Windward and noticed that the Grey Area (Meatfucker) was named in it. However, this list only shows the Grey Area in the Excession section. Should the purpose of the list be to list all ships named in each Culture novel (which was my impression), or to list each ship in only the first novel in which it's mentioned (which seems to be the current state)? -- CWesling 00:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, that was never defined. I think since the overlap isn't that massive, we can have them in both... MadMaxDog 00:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Weapons

Some IP editor added/changed this:

GSV||What Are The Civilian Applications?||Continent||Limited Edition "prompt" subclass:Can outrun a VFP

I don't remember this. Was this in the book? I have reverted it for now. MadMaxDog 11:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

In the current print run it's on pages 87 and 88... I personally can't remember you being born I will therefore be round later with the twelvebore;-) )

Thanks. That's perfectly acceptable. But obviously you have never done watchlisting - which includes checking of new additions, and not only for plain vandalism. Admittedly, I could have just left the addition, and asked about it on the talk page - but would you have responded then? And when? I have too many watchlisted articles to hope an anonymous editor might reply to a talk page question.
Anyway, why become insulting when I asked politely for a reference? I don't consider you more grown-up just because you followed your stupid threat with a smiley. MadMaxDog 10:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Threat? Sorry it was meant as a joke. I would have responded to "citation?" requests used on other pages, and was a shade miffed that it was asumed bogus. Truce? 194.129.249.240 14:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
No worries. I can be a bit quick-tempered myself. If you had edited under a user name, I would have been less likely to revert you. But all told, I should have known that such a specific edit was unlikely to be vandalism.MadMaxDog 08:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

In Chapter Ten the GSV "Size isn't everything" is described as over eighty kilometres long, and contains several bays that are devoted to ship building, would that qualify it as a throughput ship? Scruffy brit 07:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd say so. But unless its called that way in the book, we can only offer conjecture... MadMaxDog 07:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dramatic Exit/Thankyou and Good Night

At the risk on nit-picking, it isn't clear whether these are two names for the same ship or `The Drone's indecission as to which is the beeter term for that section. Scruffy brit 18:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Give me a day or two, I am actually just reading the novella for the first time. Then I'll my two cents. MadMaxDog 12:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I feel that it should stay 'Dramatic Exit' only. The next chapter, 7, is entitled "Perfidy, Or, A Few Words 'The Drone'". This indicates to me that the part beyond the 'Or' is not an alternative name. MadMaxDog 11:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Matter

The appendix (p584) has a list of all the ships in the book, which saves going through and finding them. I've added the Culture ships now, and will pop in the rest later (or others can). I don't see the need for a spoiler warning since I don't think the names alone give away anything (and I haven't finished the novel myself anyway. Hopefully the use of material direct from the book counts as fair use (and anyway, why put in such an appendix if not to make it easy for pages like this?) blech (talk) 10:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MSV Not Invented Here

The comment for the Not Invented here reads "(a typo? intro'd as "MSV" and during its history, but referred to as "LSV" later on)". However, I'm sure somewhere in the Culture novels or Banks' essays on the subject it mentions that as Systems Vessels have grown, ships that used to be, say, GSVs have been downgraded to MSVs as new larger classes are produced. Given the Not Invented Here is an old ship, could it not have been built as an MSV and then later downgraded to an LSV to fit the expanding range of Systems Vessel classes? Sentynel (talk) 18:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Simple answer? Yes. Ingolfson (talk) 06:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Experiencing A Significant Gravitas Shortfall

Can somebody check Look to Windward as to its classification? Its listed in LTW as a 'GSV', and in the appendix of Matter its a GCU. Come to think about it, what was it WITHIN the actual Matter book? Ingolfson (talk) 06:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GSV Bora Horza Gobuchul

The book says that the Mind was repaired aboard the No More Mr Nice Guy, not that it was actually the mind for that ship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.77.38.217 (talk) 14:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)