Talk:List of museums in Florida

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This article contains a list of museums in the state of Florida. Online-only museums do not belong on this page. It was separated from List of museums in the United States on December 14, 2007. Please refer to this list for all history & dicussions prior to December 14, 2007.

Each museum should have at least one icon using Template:Museum followed by a Wikipedia link. If the Wikipedia link is red, there should also be a separate web link to the museum website. If the museum does not have a website, specify "(no website)". If the Wikipedia link is not red, the website should NOT be specified here. It should be specified in the museum's own Wikipedia article to reduce clutter and file size of this article.

If the museum is in an "Elsewhere" section (or if there are no sections in a particular state), you must also specify the city after the Wikipedia link. Museums from the same city may have their own section if there are 5 or more of them.

This list is only for museums -- not aquariums, planetariums or zoos unless they contain a museum. For these, see:

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[edit] Discussion

[edit] Miami museums

Should Miami museums include museums in Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach since they are in the Miami metropolitan area? I say yes. --Comayagua99 17:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I would say 'no', that is too confusing. -- Donald Albury 17:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
NOT GROUPED: I agree that they should NOT be grouped together as they are separate cities and all cities on the page thus far are separated. Except with Twin cities like Minneapolis & Saint Paul in Minnesota. I don't believe that Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and Palm Beach are twin cities ("triplet cities"?) but I could be wrong. Please correct me if this is the situation. --Ben Boldt 22:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

(This Miami museums discussion section was moved from List of museums in the United States because List of museums in Florida was separated from List of museums in the United States.) FieldMarine (talk) 23:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikilinks on Florida Museums

We have only been using one wikilink per city on this page as per wikipedia guidelines for wikilinks or else it becomes redundant. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 14:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

It's my understanding, FieldMarine, that what you are saying is usually only applicable to articles which are expected to be read from top to bottom. There is no need for more than one link in such cases. In a list of this sort, though, especially one in which the locations are scattered throughout a long listing, it is most useful to have each instance linked to help users, who are likely to be looking for some specific entry, and who may not be reading the whole article. I just checked out the Connecticut and Michigan lists, and they both link all instances of locations.
There does not seem to be any mention of this convention for the Florida article on the article talk page. Perhaps it would be useful to hear from others, so I will place this there, too. Tim Ross·talk 15:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it does not matter to me & I did what you did only to have my edits changed back later by someone else. As far as the discussion goes, this page (as well as all the other lists of museums for each state) was recently separated from List of museums in the United States & that is where all the real history is for this page (and the other state lists of museums). Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 15:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I appreciate the background on this. A check back to the List of museums in the United States discussion page didn't turn up any agreement or even any discussion regarding some special restriction on numbers of links for these lists, so I think it would be wise to continue to do what both of us have apparently attempted: Make it easy for the users to find the Wikipedia entries for the museum locations, by linking the city names in the articles. I'll forge ahead and see if anyone complains. If that happens, we can talk about it some more here. Tim Ross·talk 16:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I spent a lot of effort in the past to limit links to cities in the list in conformance with the MOS, and no one ever objected or changed them back. That would make conforming to the MOS established practice in the List of Museums, even if it was not formally discussed. If you want to change that established practice and deviate from the MOS, it would be better to try to find a new consensus here on the talk page. -- Donald Albury 16:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
You're quite right, Donald. The Wikipedia Manual of Style (WP:MOS) does show a strong preference for limiting numbers of links. We've all seen articles in which the same term is linked time after time, to no possible purpose. This preference, though, is not a requirement, and the MOS makes it clear that a major guiding principle is to be ease-of-use. As I noted, above, forcing a user to scan over a long list hunting for the one instance in which "Sarasota" is linked is not helpful. Providing the links where they will probably be used is helpful. We can do it either way without violating the manual, I think, and it makes sense to follow the most user-friendly approach. Other states have decided to link all locations, as I mentioned above, if that precedent is important.
As an alternate, and one which I would prefer, we could make individual listings for any location with 2 or more museums, rather than the current 5 or more. (In fact, each location could have a header even if there was only one museum in that locality, if we wished.) This would have the advantage of directing a Florida visitor to all the listed museums in a location, without searching through the list to make sure they've found them all.
Do any other editors of this page have strong feelings on this point? Tim Ross·talk 13:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Tim Ross• -- I am in agreement with grouping by 2, but also recommend hold fast on any change in format until we complete discussions on formatting of all state lists. Please voice your opinions at Talk:List of museums in the United States, an ongoing discussion of formatting. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 13:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice FieldMarine. I have followed up on it, and added various thoughts there. It looks like it will be quite a while, though, before any consensus is reached (although some of the states seem to be forging ahead on their own). Tim Ross·talk 21:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Photos

I would like to see photographs of some of the museums on this list page. Not too excessively, but maybe one or two per city and a few in the Elsewhere section. I don't want to just add them myself, but have others say what would seem reasonable. Thoughts? --Ebyabe (talk) 15:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean adding photos used on the individual museum articles or new photos? I think a few photos would liven up the page, but too many could bog it down. FieldMarine (talk) 15:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I don't think it would hurt to have a photo of some sort of representative Florida museum at the top. Might be an improvement. I think, though, that a scattering of photos among the listings would be a distraction. Tim Ross (talk) 18:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
An assortment of possibilities to choose from can be found at WikiCommons here. Have at! :) --Ebyabe (talk) 19:01, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Establish a link to milseasvcmuseum.com

+Would like to establish a link under Florida museums to the Military Sea Services Museum, Sebring, Florida webpage. Our museum is a nonprofit museum dedicated to preserving the traditions and customs of the U.S. Sea Services (Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard). Our webpage is milseasvcmuseum.com. Please let us know if the requested will be established or if we need to do something further to have the link established in Wikipedia. Thank you for your consideration. 207.30.244.63 (talk) 05:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

genekissner@yahoo.com or navmargrd@milseasvcmuseum.com

Link created on list. I'll make a stub for the museum soon, no advertisement though. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 05:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Groupings of museums

I recommend keeping this list with groupings of museums by area as it is currently formatted & not combining all museums in Florida into one long list as done in some of the other states. We can add additinal groupings as necessary, particlarly as the list grows. This organization will allow for articles on specific cities to link to a specific section of this list that contains the museums in that city. Please comment so we can acheive consensus on keeping this current format or please propose an alternate organization. Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 03:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)