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2 Table of fossils "more than 4 million years old"
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[edit] page title

Wouldn't this page be more appropriately titled "List of Hominid Fossils" since there are no human (Homo sapien) fossils listed on this page? Perhaps also a redirect link could be created for "List_of_human_fossils" to redirect to the "List_of_hominid_fossils" page. Hexc0de 18:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Good point - I'll do it. By the way - there are some Homo sapien in the list. Gary van der Merwe ^(Talk) 06:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe "List of hominina fossils" would be better? Gary van der Merwe ^(Talk) 07:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Table of fossils "more than 4 million years old"

The titles for the columns of the first table, "More than 4 million years old," are offset by one to the left. The first column was labeled "Name," but the entire column was blank. The next column was named "Age," but it had the names, etc. I added an empty column before the first column, so that it would balance out. However, this is a rather ugly fix. Who can actually fix it? Noddegamra 07:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

It looks like someone deleted the first column, you have restored it to what it is supposed to be, we just don't have any pictures there yet, once we get one that first column will look better. Alternately we could put some text placeholders in there. nowimnthing - not signed in right now.

Okay. I thought it was strange that there weren't any pictures for that one but ones for all the rest. Thanks for the help. Noddegamra 06:28, 9 May 2007 (UTC){{subst:image source|Image:1470f.jpg)) Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 00:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Page Title

I have changed the title of this page to "List of Important Primate and Hominin Fossils". The reason for this is that the first table on the page shows fossils that are definitively not hominins. Aegyptopithecus is an early Catarrhine, whilst the likes of Proconsul and Lufengpithecus are Hominoids (i.e. apes), but not hominins. The only options are to remove these entries, or change the name of the page. In the name of keeping as much useful information on the page as possible, I opted for the former option.

Since I created this page a while back it has gone through a number of name changes. I thought my first was ok, Human Evolution Fossils, but someone correctly pointed out that it is really a list in WP style but that List of Important Human Evolution Fossils was too long and dropped it to Human Fossils. That of course is misleading so we came to Hominina Fossils, which as pointed out above is not entirely correct either. We could go back to Hominid, but given the different definitions that word has gone through, we may end up back here again explaining current usage. I propose going to List of human evolution fossils. That is the common theme of the page and it fits with the naming conventions on other pages in the Series on Human Evolution like Timeline of human evolution. Nowimnthing 19:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] species name

Thanks for the help on List of human evolution fossils but do you have sources for the changes in species you made? Most of the ones on there came from Larsen. I realize that is an older title, if you have a newer source for upadted species please share. Nowimnthing (talk) 18:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] copyrighted image overuse

I think I have covered all the bases on the copyrighted Smithsonian images on here. Each one illustrates it's subject and would be difficult if not impossible to reproduce, furthermore the Smithsonian retains copyrightm but explicitly permits fair use on it's website for educational purposes. Each of the images should have the proper documentation per WP:FU. If anyone is able to take pictures of any casts of these fossils either at university or in a museum, feel free to replace, though try to keep frontal views for comparison sake. I am not sure how much longer I can keep these up when they keep changing the rules and adding more requirements for fair use images. The subject of this article is the comparison of thsoe fossils, and I still contend that it will be difficult if not impossible to recreate all the pictures. Nowimnthing (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] young "fossils"

Should 400 year old finds really be listed here? For that matter, should 1500 year old ones? Andy Christ (talk) 01:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say they are because they represent important finds in one way or another. Otzi is an amazingly complete find, with clothes, tools, etc. Five knolls, humboldt sink, and scdg k102 are more important because of where they are found, indicating migration patterns or they were the first find of their kind. I would have to dig out my larsen if you need a more detailed reasoning on those three and why they are important to human evo rather than just cultural anth. Nowimnthing (talk) 20:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do. And please add some of that information to the article. I'm extra skeptical now that I've googled it, and I cannot find ANY references to SCDG K102 or Five Knolls 18 online that do not appear to come from this list. Oh, and I think the best way to incorporate any explanation of these finds would be to split off a section that only covers homo sapiens. Andy Christ (talk) 21:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I will get my Larsen when I am at home, but for now here is an article[1] (humboldt sink is discussed in the full version) that talks a bit about the importance in an evo sense.

"Abstract

Nondietary function is an important concern in the study of the human dentition and its role in adaptation. The purpose of the present investigation is to describe and interpret a pattern of dental wear in the anterior dentition of precontact hunter-gatherers that inhabited the western Great Basin. These data are discussed in light of ethnographic documentation as a means by which the archaeological record is linked with associated behavior of the representative populations. A series of 171 dentitions from a group of archaeological localities was examined. Of 1,931 teeth observed, 16 of these showed narrow (0.4-2.0 mm) transverse grooves located on the midocclusal surfaces of anterior teeth. The grooves were restricted in occurrence to five older adult males. Documentation of prehistoric and historic western Great Basin aboriginal populations indicates an adaptation that involves use of plant materials in the production of a variety of utilitarian objects, such as fish nets, basketry, funerary bags, fowling bags, and rope. In postcontact contexts, the anterior dentition has been shown to play an important role in the preparation of materials used for the production of this equipment. It seems most likely, then, that the grooves observed herein resulted directly from the use of the dentition as part of the tool assemblage for the production of other tools."

not sure how to fit that kind of info in a list though Nowimnthing (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

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