Talk:List of fairy tales
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[edit] Merge
I do not think that the difficulties of maintaining two lists is worth any advantage of having them. One of the lists is incomplete even now. Goldfritha 02:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok good points i agree they should be merged but Goldfritha please help me with the list i am working on just look at the talk page it has what needs to be transferred--Alpha774 02:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not want to lose the talk page which has everything that needs to be added to the article so please help me then we'll merge the articles --Alpha774 02:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think a list by place of orgin is more useful than an alphabetical one. --Banana04131 03:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- Except that we don't have a place of origin and we have no way to find out. The best we can do is the place where the tale was first recorded in a form that survived to the present day, a rather different proposition. Goldfritha 00:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with banana04131's comment but let's finish the by place of origin one then merge --Alpha774 04:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
- The origin list is done. How are we going to organize the final list? I liked the origin list better when the tales were broaken up into sections so a table of contents could be used. --Banana04131 05:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I am done with it note this is my other account--Jesusmyth 05:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I got rid of the old version because there were many different table and they were of different widths also you can use control f for editing and also i am working on the table of contents and just recently made a correction on the list apparently a italian story was listed under german --Jesusmyth 18:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I merged them and am making some edits to the alphabetical list for example the author, collection, dates, and origin are not linked on many of his so i am linking some also i changed all the lapp under origin to the more common term sami on the alpha list --Jesusmyth 19:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think we should have only one list and
just put any tales on the alphabtical one not in the orgin list in the list,merge one into the other. --Banana04131 23:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I disagree let's see what Goldfritha says --Jesusmyth 00:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Also i am not sure exactly what you are talking about please explain but you are saying something about removing one list which i disagree with--Jesusmyth 00:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC) are you saying we shouldn't list their origin if they're on the alpha list if so i disagree because someone might want to use the alpha list to find out where a certain tale is from --Jesusmyth 00:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree with Banana04131: two lists is overkill. The alphabetic one would be better. Goldfritha 00:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please don't delete mine someone might want to look up tales of a certain place and me and banana04131 worked hard on it don't delete it--Jesusmyth 02:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
how about making the top list into either list of fairy tales from germany of list of german fairy tales for the german tales and just split it up into seperate articles what do you think? --Jesusmyth 02:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Please do not complain that "I worked hard" on Wikipedia. Your hard work being ruthlessly editted is a fact of life here. What we need is a reason for two lists.
- Furthermore, I have yanked the title "place of origin." The countries listed here are not the places of origin of the fairy tales that are listed here; they are merely countries where the tale was collected at one time or another.
- And what on earth would making it just German tales do? It would gut the list. Goldfritha 05:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Do you think we should split the place of origin into seperate articles list of spanish fairy tales, list of russian fairy tales, list of german fairy tales, list of italian fairy tales, etc. --Jesusmyth 02:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- If we're going by "place of origin", we would have one list, for fairy tales of unknown place of origin. Goldfritha 02:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- There is still no reason given why two lists have to be maintained. I will propose re-merging every article you split out. Goldfritha 03:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Why can't we have the place of origin as a list of links for example list of arabic fairy tales list of english fairy tales list of german fairy tales
i think we should split the place of origin section up into smaller sections--Jesusmyth 03:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Having seperate articles is preferable and does not take too much space--Jesusmyth 03:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- We do not have a place of origin section. We do not have places of origin for fairy tales. Nowadays folklorists admit that tracing the origin of a fairy tale is past doing.
- Preferable? I've asked for a reason for why two lists have to be maintained, and you still haven't given one. This would be worse for the editors. What benefit would it be for the users? Goldfritha 03:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Many people like fairy tales of a specific region and like to know where they are from--Jesusmyth 03:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Nothing is required for that that was not in the original list. Goldfritha 04:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Since the only reason you offered is adequately fulfilled by the original list, I am merging. Goldfritha 02:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Criteria for Fairy Tales?
I do not think that Alice in Wonderland counts as a fairy tale: what are the criteria for fairy tales by which these were selected? Disney movies?
- The criterion is that they are frequently called fairy tales. Which Alice has -- perhaps less commonly now that the genre of fantasy has been defined, but I can give you cites. Goldfritha 23:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the first post under this section. Alice is not a fairy tale, mostly because it did not come out of an oral tradition. The page for fairy tale on Wikipedia specifically says it is told orally. Alice is the work of one man and though it was told orally to Alice Liddell and her sisters, that version is not the same as the published version beloved around the world. Also, unlike Grimm, Anderson, and Perrault, it was not inspired by tales commonly told to children. Or, if it was, it was a spoof on the didactic literature being published for children in Victorian England. The Alice books may be considered classics in Children's Literature, but they are no more fairy tales than The Wizard of Oz or The Chronicles of Narnia.
[edit] Religious Works
I think it would be good to discuss religious works and their listing in this article. I think that since there is a list of religious works here, they should not be listed on this article as well. Also, listing them here implies that they are not true (that they are fairy tales), which is impossible to prove/ disprove, regardless of the religion. Tnxman307 (talk) 16:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh come on! I'm about as fervent an atheist as it gets, and even I can see that calling the Bible a fairy tale is extremely POV. I don't particularly care if the sensibilities of Christians are offended, but including the Bible and other religious texts still in use on this list is an unacceptable violation of WP:NPOV. VanTucky talk 20:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. I stopped reverting User:Largestill, per 3RR. Thanks for giving your input as well.Tnxman307 (talk) 20:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Arab at the end
There is an unalphabetized dump of Arabic fairy tales at the end with no information except their claimed titles and the claimed work that collects them. Given that Arab Folk Tales sounds like a very modern title, I suspect a conflict between it and the claim that they were "before 1800". The collection should be their original appearance or not be listed.
I think it adds very little and should be dumped.69.183.192.162 (talk) 00:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
