Talk:List of countries by southernmost point

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Should we add the southernmost point on the mainland for countries such as Norway and the UK? Currently, the inclusion of Antarctic territories makes this list somewhat misleading. Ygoloxelfer 19:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Good question is what these areas count as. Bouvetoya and Dronning Maud Land is according to Norwegian law counted not as a part of Norway, but as a possesion, a foreign area they own. -- BIL 20:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is that it would be helpful to have the southernmost point on the mainland listed as well, in its own position. As it stands, people comparing the pages for northernmost and southernmost points may get the impression that thesse countries stretch across most of the globe, which they obviously do not. We could still use the current coordinates as, for example, the southernmost point under British/Norwegian/etc. administration, but not have these ranked like those of other countries, instead using the southernmost point on the mainland or nearby islands (e.g. the Scilly Isles could be used for the UK). Ygoloxelfer 16:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Numbering and Western Sahara 2 Dependent territories 3 Portugal 4 United Kingdom

[edit] Numbering and Western Sahara

Why? Western Sahara is numbered on several of these lists (e.g. List of countries by northernmost point), so why not here? The justification given in the edit summary for removing it is that Western Sahara is not a country; in point of fact, it is. Is there any reason it counts in the north, but not the south? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 18:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It should be corrected there also.--A Jalil 19:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Corrected? It is correct. In point of fact, why would some of these be numbered and others not in the first place? That is really only confusing to users as is. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 19:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

In compiling this list only member states of the United Nations were numbered (including the Holy See). Without a solid criterion for which countries to include all number of other countries, some more generally accepted than others, could creep in. The list of countries in the UN seems to me a good choice due to its general wide acceptance. Perhaps the explanatory paragraph at the start of the list should be made clearer. -Retyef 22:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Southernmost? This is a good idea, although careful examination of the official statuses of these territories should be made before carrying out such changes. eg the Canary Islands are officially no different from any other region of Spain. Another possibility would be to include the southernmost point on the main landmass making up the country, over which there should be fewer discrepancies. Retyef 22:56, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dependent territories

A selection of dependent territories are listed in italics and are not ranked. This makes sense when listing Antartica and other territories that have geographical significance. It is not a welcome mat to all the disputed territories in the world. -- Gabi S. 09:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

So why have you just deleted the entries for Palestine? Northern Cyprus, Western Sahara and Taiwan are just as contentious! I think all out. Possibly even the Vatican. ie only members of the UN should remain. Any advances? -- Retyef 00:35 18/08/2007

Why are dependent territories "listed in italics and not ranked"? They are an integral part of the country which is sovereign on the territory. This is different from disputed territories where we cannot define sovereignty of the land. But to leave dependent territories separate from their countries and unranked would be to draw ourselves into an endless argument about the countless political statuses of different territories. How is American Samoa part of the USA and Kerguelen part of France (both of which I agree with), but the South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands not considered part of the UK? Kraikk 14:29, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portugal

The southernmost region of Portugal are the Savage Islands (Ilhas Selvagens) not the Desertas. --viriatus (talk) 00:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] United Kingdom

I think the U.K. should not be the southernmost country, because the Thule Island (South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands) is a dependence, like Greenland (see here). I think Chile should be in first place, because is the southernmost independent country. 22:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)