Talk:List of bands named after places

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[edit] The Fall of Troy

The page says Troy was proven to be a real place, but it is still listed under bands named after fictional places.

[edit] Rammstein

Heathen World says that Rammstein is not named for the town or airfield, but is old German fo r a large stone doorstop, which may actually also be a penis euphemism. NjtoTX 00:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dixie Chicks?

"Bands with names of places as part of their names (only), such as Hanoi Rocks and The Presidents of the United States of America, are excluded." Am I missing something? (For that matter, Alabama 3 seems borderline, but less clear.) - PhilipR 18:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Probably just this part: "Bands whose names vary slightly (for example, in spelling, pluralization, or the addition of relatively insignificant terms such as determiners, prepositions, numerals, and synonyms of band) from those of their namesakes are included." But if it were up to me, I wouldn't include those in this list. Recury 20:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I added the Sugarhill Gang. Yes, the placename is only part of the band's name, but they were clearly named after it. Superbo 22:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
"Gang" is close enough to the "synonyms for band" exception Recury mentioned that I don't see anyone having a problem with this. PurplePlatypus 05:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What about Youngstown?

I remember this band that did the inspector gadget soundtrack named themselves after a town in ohio or somewhere. Anyway, post?

[edit] Tokio Hotel

Since when is the city of Tokyo a fictional place?

[edit] Idlewild

This is a weird one. At time of writing they are listed under '...Fictional Places' with the text: Idlewild, after a place in the children's book Anne of Green Gables. I did not know this fact, nor can I verify it, but the name was mainly taken from the name of what became John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City, prior to it being renamed in 1963 in honour of the recently-assassinated President. I'm sure the band have also claimed this as the name's origin, but can't find a quote on it. A wikisearch for Idlewild leads to a disambig page, where it can be seen that lots of people have adopted the name for various endeavours. Any ideas on how to treat this in the list? I am becoming a list geek. Superbo 02:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Named after?

There are a lot of bands on this list that have the same name as a place, but were not named after a place. e.g.: "Chicago" is short for "Chicago Transportation Authority" which is not a city. Likewise "Australian Crawl" sounds like a swimming stroke. Phildonnia

This list is full of examples like that, I've just removed Heaven 17 for that reason (they were named after a group in A Clockwork Orange). This is a list of bands named after places, not bands that happen to have places in their names;
Bands with names of places as part of their names (only), such as Hanoi Rocks and The Presidents of the United States of America, are excluded.
So, Chicago is eligible for the list, but Australian Crawl and Heaven 17 are definitely not.Galaxytrio 19:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Seems to me that this has been flouted to the point that it requires a systematic cleanup. For that matter is there a sound reason for this rule, or is it just the preference of whomever put it in? (I don't care one way or the other; I just want the header consistent with the list.) Regards, PhilipR 02:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nirvana

It is said that Nirvana is a fictional place. To us, maybe, yes. However, in Buddhism, it is where the dead go in the afterlife if they followed their guide to life. So, we shouldn't count it as fictional since Buddhists belive it. Another argument is, since it is spiritual, why even include it in a place at all.

I agree. Why include it at all?

"Nirvāna [...] is never conceived of as a place" and "Nirvāṇa [...] is not a place nor a state, it is an absolute truth to be realized" and is thus removed. ◄ИΞШSΜΛЯΞ► 04:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sunn O)))

After I reverted it I read a bit about the band Sunn O))). It's not named for the sun, but rather for a brand name that's derived from a person's surname. So notwithstanding the "rule" about no additional terms that everyone seems to ignore and that we might as well do away with for all I care, that band doesn't appear to fit here anyway. Cheers, PhilipR 06:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Calling the question

Proposal: Whereas no one observes this passage,

Bands with names of places as part of their names (only), such as Hanoi Rocks and The Presidents of the United States of America, are excluded.

there exists a de facto consensus among the hundreds of people who've added band names to remove this passage from the page. In view of their implicit wishes, the passage should be removed.

No opinion - I really don't care. I just want to see consensus enforced systematically rather than haphazardly. The longer list of every name with a place as part of its name would be unwieldy. Cleaning up all these edits is unwieldier. Cheers, PhilipR 07:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Howzabout a new page with the big unwieldy list of bands partially named after places? - May 25, 2007

Aye I am in favor of this proposal, removing bands with names as only parts of places. Mathlaura (talk) 22:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, I misread. I am in favor of the passage being used, rather than in removing it. Though I guess I'm a year behind the discussion anyway. Mathlaura (talk) 22:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Nay

I suggest that we stick to the letter of this passage and remove all bands with place names as part of their names. --206.169.194.161 (talk) 22:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Nay

A list of bands named strictly after places is useful and interesting, since it's a fairly common naming pattern and I'd imagine the primary use of this page is to find out how many bands are named like "Kansas" or "Asia" or "Alabama". Relaxing the rule makes the page too vague. JoeNotCharles (talk) 01:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Danzig

Isn't the band Danzig named for the last name of the singer, Glenn Danzig? (His name, in turn, may be taken from the city Danzig, but if so that's how it should be listed on the page.) Hermanjoshua 22:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mir

Mir cannot be considerd to be a "place". For the same reasons you should include the B 52's.

--194.151.163.166 (talk) 14:32, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Feeling

Aren't they named after the nightclub they played their first major gig in? That is what they said in an E4 Music interview. gazzaefc (talk) 18:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] list of bands whose names contain toponyms?

well? makes more sense than what we have now. 99.245.92.47 (talk) 12:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Joy Division

I removed this, as the reason it listed was in fact incorrect. I can cite sources if necessary, but am not going to bother unless someone challenges it. Mathlaura (talk) 22:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Children of Bodom

Should Children of Bodom be on the list? The band was named after the Lake Bodom murders, not really the Lake specifically.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.9.72 (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

My feeling is that they qualify because they're named after the murders, which were named after the place. But then they're disqualified again because they're "Children of" Bodom, not just "Bodom". JoeNotCharles (talk) 01:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

Since the above vote was unanimously in favour of conforming to the statement, "Bands with names of places as part of their names (only), such as Hanoi Rocks and The Presidents of the United States of America, are excluded," I've gone through and done a systematic cleanup. Notes below. JoeNotCharles (talk) 02:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bands removed

[edit] Questionable bands which I've removed

These are bands whose name countains a place name and collective noun (such as "Rollers" or "Ramblers") which isn't close enough to "Band" to keep. I chose to delete them, but maybe they should be restored and the rule changed to allow any collective noun.

[edit] Questionable bands which I've left

  • Bosstones - it's a pun on the word Boston, not actually Boston
  • East 17 - named after a postal code, not exactly a place
  • Of Montreal - left it since "of" is just a preposition
  • Queen City Kids - I don't think "Kids" has much connotation beyond "group" or "gang", which is allowed as being close to "band"
  • Walls of Jericho - could be considered a place in Jericho

[edit] Bands which look like they should be cut, but actually should not

These are bands I thought should be cut at first glance but decided not to after looking them up. I've noted them here in case anyone else is tempted to.

  • Danzig - named after Glenn Danzig, not the city. But "Glenn Danzig" is actually Glenn Anzalone's stage name, and he probably named himself after the city. (Confusing because "Danzig" is not an unusual surname.)
  • Hatfield and the North - "the North" refers to the North of England, which is a place on its own
  • MC5 - 5 refers to the number of people in the band, making it a synonym for "Quintet"
  • Mojave 3 - 3 refers to the number of people in the band, making it a synonym for "Trio"