Talk:List of avant-garde artists

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[edit] Confusion with experimental, non-avant-garde artists

The article partially confuses experimental with avant-garde art and includes artists not avant-garde, e.g. Battles (generic math rock) and David Bowie (pop). 91.5.143.57 (talk) 16:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

That is simply your opinion. In order to justify a change to the article, you need to provide references. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 16:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[1] - "[...] very generally, avant-garde music can be viewed as occupying an extreme position within the tradition, while experimental music lies outside it." - David Nicholls

And for the named musicians: Battles - [2] "Experimental Rock"/"Post-Rock", meaning even if they wouldn't be considered solely indie rock, they would go to the exp. rock article.
David Bowie - [3] Same thing here.
Sigur Ros - [4]
Björk - [5]
They Might Be Giants - [6]
Jonny Greenwood - [7], [8]
87.171.251.233 (talk) 21:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see what I, or anyone else, is supposed to learn from these links---the Bjork myspace page?---or how any of this is supposed to prove your point. The David Nicholls quote is interesting, and somewhat illuminating, but is still only one opinion. Experimental and avant-garde are not necessarily two different things. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 01:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The artist pages are references for the classification of the music by these artists, but yes, Björk's myspace page might be insufficient for reference. And while the quote by David Nicholls might be just one opinion, it's a acceptable reference. Some people might not make a distinction between avant-garde music and experimental music, but some people do, and as far as I know this is what matters. 87.171.248.129 (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

All information on wiki needs verification. Lists are no exception. If there are sources that say someone is avant-garde, it justifies inclusion. If there are no sources, they can be removed. However, wholesale instant removals would be disruptive, unless there is a very good reason for such, and matters should preferably be aired on the talk page in the first instance. Ty 04:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Often experimental and avant-garde merge, however as Tyrenius says inclusions must be verified or referenced, and removals might be seen as vandalism. Web sites are generally not acceptable references. Modernist (talk) 11:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

That means that the whole article is full of wrongly attributed names, wrong because most names have no reference whatsoever, right? Wikipedia is, as far as I can see, no encyclopedia to tend towards inclusiveness, so I guess we give the unreferenced artists a time limit, and if there're still no references for them after this, they will be removed. Is that acceptable?
RichLow (talk) 23:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)