Talk:List of The Dresden Files episodes
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[edit] Summaries
I removed a couple of summaries that were copied from other sites, check this for an example. Anyways, I think this page probably has some more info that's copied, so whoever is running the show here should look into it, and rewrite whatever. - Peregrine Fisher 18:42, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think a lot of the info comes from SFC press releases... which is why you see it everywhere. --John T. Folden 00:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Production Codes
An editor seems to have a problem with the source for these. However, they have been on this page since it was created, and contributed by more than one editor in the past. Several months ago I, also, informally approached members of the WP:Mediation_Cabal for my own peace of mind and they confirmed it was a perfectly acceptable source according to the R&R's of WP. I'd like further comment from additional editors --John T. Folden 16:24, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- You seem to have a misconception that the Mediation Cabal are some elitist group — they're not. I will enforce the citation policy aggressively[1]; until such a time that I believe you have provided an adequate source or consensus agrees with yourself. The material is challenged, you should not go against policy and re-add it (until such a time as I said previously). Matthew 16:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I have no misconception of anything. I solicited for further opinion from other editors and received it at the time. However, sources such as iTunes are not 'speculative', nor are they excluded by policy. --John T. Folden 16:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing anything stating "production code" at iTunes, until you can provide a source that I can agree with (so that I no longer challenge it) or consensus agrees with, you shouldn't re-add them. Matthew 16:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Production codes are listed in the Episode ID of the metadata on each downloadable TV Show. --John T. Folden 16:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm still not seeing anything explicitly stating: production code, perhaps you could screencap it and upload it to Wikipedia under fair use temporarily. Matthew 17:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- You're misunderstanding me, I think. If you right click on an episode and choose Get Info, then click Video, you will see the heading for Episode ID. You can, also, activate this info as a column under normal View Options in iTunes. You can verify this number against previously confirmed IDs on other television shows and episodes, as well. --John T. Folden 17:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Right, then it's not a production code without an explicit indication of such a thing, i.e. "Production Code: xyz". Without any explicit source your drawing conclusions. Point in fact it's not verifiable if you're drawing conclusions. Matthew 18:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not drawing conclusions, that just happens to be the label as used by the most readily available source. Sci-Fi Channel itself refers to the "production number" number as the "Episode Number" on it's site. "Production Code" happens to be the term WP settled on. Ironically, if you do a Google search "Production Code" commonly refers to an entirely different numerical system involving content ratings. --John T. Folden 18:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Production Code != Production Number. By your own admittance you've admitted they are indeed not the production codes. If you can find the actual production codes then please say so here. Frankly I'm bemused as to why time needed to be wasted to come to the conclusion they're not actual production codes... Matthew 18:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- If Episode ID in iTunes matches Episode Number on SFC site matches Production Code in SFC press Kits matches ad infinitum then it's all down to word games. I assume a statement from Robert Wolfe, the producer and writer on the series, concerning these numbers will be more than enough confirmation, even for you? btw, have you ever done a search for "prodcode" here on Wiki? --John T. Folden 18:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- No I haven't, but this search indicates a lot of pages need cleanup. On and end note I've still yet to see a verifiable source that actually states "production code". Matthew 18:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- As referred to in previous post, I have solicited for the input of Robert Wolfe directly - assuming he is still reachable at the same location as he was prior to end of production. --John T. Folden 19:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Wolfe stating "these are the production codes", "here are the production codes" (etc) would certainly be fine for me. Matthew 19:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- As referred to in previous post, I have solicited for the input of Robert Wolfe directly - assuming he is still reachable at the same location as he was prior to end of production. --John T. Folden 19:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- No I haven't, but this search indicates a lot of pages need cleanup. On and end note I've still yet to see a verifiable source that actually states "production code". Matthew 18:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- If Episode ID in iTunes matches Episode Number on SFC site matches Production Code in SFC press Kits matches ad infinitum then it's all down to word games. I assume a statement from Robert Wolfe, the producer and writer on the series, concerning these numbers will be more than enough confirmation, even for you? btw, have you ever done a search for "prodcode" here on Wiki? --John T. Folden 18:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Production Code != Production Number. By your own admittance you've admitted they are indeed not the production codes. If you can find the actual production codes then please say so here. Frankly I'm bemused as to why time needed to be wasted to come to the conclusion they're not actual production codes... Matthew 18:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not drawing conclusions, that just happens to be the label as used by the most readily available source. Sci-Fi Channel itself refers to the "production number" number as the "Episode Number" on it's site. "Production Code" happens to be the term WP settled on. Ironically, if you do a Google search "Production Code" commonly refers to an entirely different numerical system involving content ratings. --John T. Folden 18:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Right, then it's not a production code without an explicit indication of such a thing, i.e. "Production Code: xyz". Without any explicit source your drawing conclusions. Point in fact it's not verifiable if you're drawing conclusions. Matthew 18:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- You're misunderstanding me, I think. If you right click on an episode and choose Get Info, then click Video, you will see the heading for Episode ID. You can, also, activate this info as a column under normal View Options in iTunes. You can verify this number against previously confirmed IDs on other television shows and episodes, as well. --John T. Folden 17:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm still not seeing anything explicitly stating: production code, perhaps you could screencap it and upload it to Wikipedia under fair use temporarily. Matthew 17:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- Production codes are listed in the Episode ID of the metadata on each downloadable TV Show. --John T. Folden 16:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing anything stating "production code" at iTunes, until you can provide a source that I can agree with (so that I no longer challenge it) or consensus agrees with, you shouldn't re-add them. Matthew 16:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
- I have no misconception of anything. I solicited for further opinion from other editors and received it at the time. However, sources such as iTunes are not 'speculative', nor are they excluded by policy. --John T. Folden 16:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Robert Wolfe has confirmed the iTunes Episode ID's are the correct Production Codes as previously indicated. So, I'll be adding this back. http://www.jim-butcher.com/bb/index.php?topic=1589.msg70331#msg70331 --John T. Folden 19:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- He states: "Yeah, that looks right." - which could mean any number of things... Matthew 19:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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- It's distinctly clear in response to the question and data provided him. --John T. Folden 20:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Third Opinion
Hi. I'm here because of the request at WP:3O. Reading over the discussion above, it seems like the contention is over what constitutes a reliable source for episode numbers. Although I think the tone of the disagreement could be improved, I think Matthew has a point: there seems to be room for reasonable people to disagree over whether the numbers in iTunes are the correct ones. I think you've jointly hit upon the right solution: find another source for confirmation.
Another option to consider is whether verifying the iTunes numbers for other series against confirmed episode numbers would ease Matthew's concern. It's also worth discussing whether it's possible to leave the episode numbers in for now with some clear disclaimer on the page that the information isn't confirmed. That would give our readers what appears to be the best available information without misleading them as to its quality.
Hoping that helps, William Pietri 01:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your input. It is greatly appreciated and you have several valid ideas. I've checked the ID's for other shows on iTunes (Buffy and Firefly to name two, as I have access to the original episodes) and they correspond to the official Production Codes as listed. I feel these numbers as the they were presented do have validity and all, currently, available evidence backs up the data as being the proper production codes. It seems to be down to a matter of word games as, sadly, even SFC and Lionsgate choose to refer to them with different labels as they see fit. I'm, also, open to the idea of keeping them listed under a different heading such as "Episode #" or "Episode ID" as is currently done on the List of Lost episodes, etc.
- Normally, I would not feel the production codes to be a major point of interest, however, given that the episodes were shown out of original production order by SFC there is a great many viewers that find this information to be relevant and important. --John T. Folden 21:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Episode notability
All of the episodes of this series fail the notability guidelines for television episodes. The way for these articles to be improved is through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. That is unlikely to happen, and these only have certain bad aspects (though all may not apply) like containing overly long or one sentence plot summaries, trivia, and quotes. Per that, they need to be a small part of this list.
If there are no objections, these will be redirected soon. Otherwise, discussion will take place here. Please remember that this is not a vote. If you like the information, that's fine and dandy, but your opinion doesn't really count towards anything. The only opinions that do count are ones that that lean towards the inclusion of real world information. TTN 23:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
