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[edit] Samael

I understand some of you don't think the name of the cult's god is Samael, but there are a lot of people who do and the truth is there really is nothing to prove it 100% either way. Dahlia was lying to Harry about the Seal of Metratron, telling him it was the Mark of Samael. she wanted him to believe she was on his side and he was doing something to destroy Samael and get his daughter back. Alessa was the one spreading Metratron around to seal off the town and dispell Samael. that's the way I see it. Samael is a common name given to it and there's nothing to prove it wrong. so leave it there.


There's nothing to prove his signafigance or influence. In that case Wiki should only stickt facts and not popular opinion. Furthermore, we should keep our NPOV..

Also if you check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Samael & the bottom of 'this page I can certainly cite sources on why Samael is not the God and why Alessa is not trying to stop him. We can not add something that is just fan speculation of theories, which would not keep us neutural.....

Xuchilbara 02:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

well it's just "fan speculation" that it isn't Samael as well. do you have something official from the team clearly saying it, or something to prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt? I don't think so. Samael is a widely accepted name for it and at the least, Samael is the name given to it by the opposers of the cult. so you have to agree with that.

and Baphomet is not an official name for it either.

Baphomet is obviously the image it is based after. If you want me to gve you some reasons why it is not Samael:

  • 1. Samael is not a "incubus" or a dream demon.
  • 2. Opposers did give demonic names to the God, but if you paid any attention Dahlia calls the God a 'he'. while we all know according to the cult's dogma God is a female solar deity, in which Samael has no relation. Not to mention no source whatsoever names what demonic names God was given. Only that it was given demonic names, for all we know it could of been called Asmodai.
  • 3. The "Mark of Samael" is in actuality the SeAl of Metatron. Dahlia was using Samael's name to get Harry to believe that Alessa is a demon. In game documents support this. In fact team Silent in the official SH1 guide book stated that the "Mark of Samael' has no profound signafigance and falls under the catagory of wordplay.
  • 4. Baphomet has some credence because if you look at Baphomet it is clearly the image of the incubus. Whereas Samael being a incubus has no basis in fact. He is an angel of death, not a dream demon. It may not be called "baphomet", but the image is clear. Plus this would lead ppl to believe that Samael= the female solar deity of the cult. And I don't think Dahlia would call the God 'Samael'.
  • 5. Fan specualtion. Its nice that some fans actually belive that Samael is the incubus and sometimes the God of the 3rd game (Even though the God in the 3rd is obviously female.) But this is not supported by in game nor official documents and the wikipedia should remain neutural. Why? Because if we let this slip, then other opinions will be pushed into the article. Especially about Samael and theories.

The fact remains that Samael is 'ONLY mentioned in SH1.. His overall signafigance in the games or at least SH1 is debatable, this, however, needs to stay off of wikipedia.

Xuchilbara 00:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


  • 1. it's a video game. but I am pretty sure I've read that Samael is an incubus. if I can remember where I read this I'll post it. but either way, it's a video game, not real.
  • 2. I'm not sure on this but I think a god doesn't have a gender, so it's not a he or a she. and anyway, the only possible female parts I've seen are the larger boobs on the creature.
  • 3. I agree with all that except for the name of the god.
  • 4. but it isn't mentioned anywhere or even hinted. if we're going on official sources only, then Baphomet is an even less likely name. at least we can say Samael is the name given to the god by opposers of the cult, even if we can't prove Samael is its general name. Baphomet is not used at all.
  • 5 the god changes in appearance based on who is the "host". we may not even have seen the true form of it yet.

As a fan of demonology & Samael and one who wrote alot of the Lilith wiki I can tell you Samael is NOT a incubus, his former consort (Lilith) is a demon of that class but he is not. Thje fact he is an angel negates that quick. Also wouldn't it be strange that Dahlia as a memeber of the Order would call her own God Samael? And there's in game documents that prove that Dahlia was using Samael's name to mislead Harry about Alessa, including making him think she is a demon herself and she is spreading a evil mark around town. This does not support Samael=God.

Indeed the incubus has boobs. But if you did some research on Baphomet and the incubus, you'd find that switch sexes or being a hermaphadite is not all that uncommon.[1][2] In fact baphomet is depicted with both a phallus and boobs. I think the SH designers omitted the phallus due do ratings board. baphomet's name stays because we can track the inspiration behind the character of the incubus, whereas we cannot with Samael.

Here's the problem w/ God changing its image. In LM is where the source info comes from... While it does change its form, its considered no more diffirent than the other monsters and would therefore be a 'delusion'. Meaning it isn't the real God theyv'e been waiting for to begin with. This is supported by multiple characters including Vincent who know it isn't the female solar deity of the Order. God's gender is clearly established by the Order. it may seem weird to someone who is raised around Christianity (Where God is both genders, but reffered to as male.) however the presence of God just creating gods is not soething ripped out of monotheism or Abahamic religion.

I have read somewhere that "God" in SH1 was really supposed to be "Son of God", but they changed it. This would explain Dahlia's reference to 'he' and how incubi can switch sexes. I would bet that the "Son of God" was supposed to impregnate Alessa.

Xuchilbara 02:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

fine, I just changed the Janitor to Janitor/Nosferatu, since Nosferatu from Resident Evil Code Veronica is the inspiration for the character of the Janitor. see why that won't work? it doesn't matter if Baphomet is the inspiration for Incubus, that's not its name and its not shown one time. so if it works for him it should work for the Janitor too.

I remember what I read about Samael. I think it said he rapes people when they are sleeping. or something sexual. I still don't remember where I read it though.

I know Samael is only mentioned when she says the Mark of Samael, but why don't you think it's possible that her god is in fact Samael and she was just trying to trick Harry into doing what she wanted, which was to have her god Samael created? she used Samael's name in a negative way to mislead Harry so she could make him think she was on his side and to get what she wanted.

Let me think... Why the God Dahlia believes in is not Samael? Here's some exerts from in game documents to help you out with that:

"When this religion fell into the
hands of immigrants, it was deeply
influenced by their own original
Christian beliefs."


"(There is also one rare example
of the chief deity, "Creator of
Paradise" or "Lord of Serpents
and Reeds", being dubbed with
a demon's name. Of course, this
was not done by believers, but
by their opponents.)"
"Similar to burning at the
stake, no comparable rite can be found in religions practiced
nearby. It may have some connection with the main deity being a
sun god. "
"Embrace the bosom
of the Holy Mother.
Admit your sins and be forgiven.
Eternal tranquility can be yours."
"But there God's strength ran out,
and She collapsed.
All the world's people grieved this
unfortunate event, yet
God breathed Her last.
She returned to the dust,
promising to come again."
"The Descent of the Holy Mother -- The 21 Sacraments"


Sh1 guide book:

"Q: What is the Mark of Samael?
A: The truth is that there is no profound significance.
Dahlia uses the phrase "the Mark of Samael" while speaking to Harry. This is a sophism to make
Harry worry that terrible things are happening that must be stopped at any cost; it's nonsense that
falls under the category of wordplay. Dahlia thought she could use Harry to catch Alessa, so she
used incomprehensible terms with feigned sincerity."[3]

No where here does it say Samael is the Order's deity or that Dahlia is actually trying to birth him. In fact the game does not EVEN hint at something like that!

Samael is not a incubus, he is not even of the same class. He does not rape ppl in their sleep and I'm sorry to break the news to you but he is NOT the cult's God.

Nos may be the inspiration for the work of the movie and you took it out so? Just to prove that Baphomet's name shouldn't be in there? Because if we are going to work that way than Samael being the God of SH1 has no basis in fact and is not even "insipiration" and falls under the cat of fan speculation. Therefore, it has no place here at all.

Xuchilbara 20:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


yeah that's why I did it. Baphomet is not a name given to the creature. not official or otherwise. you think the name belongs there because Baphomet is the inspiration for it. well Nosferatu is the inspiration for the Janitor character from the movie. but Nosferatu is not its name, the same way Baphomet is not the SH god's name.

Samael is still the name given to it by the cult's opposers, whether that is its actual name or not. when someone or something is given a name or nickname and it sticks, that becomes one of their unofficial names. so Samael belongs there just as much as Incubus. Baphomet is not its name from the cult or its opposers. not its name at all.

In that case, both Samael and Baphomet should be removed as a name for Incubus/God. Samael is said to be a false name for the God, not a nickname. Baphomet is just the inspiration for the character. It cannot be verified that an official name or nickname of the God creature is anything other than Incubus or God, so we'll regulate the fan speculation to the by-notes already within the article. --健次(derumi)talk 21:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Again there's no evidence that oooposers called the deity "Samael", just that it was called by demonic names. I would more likely believe it if you had done reaserch to say 'Oh, Samael = Satan = The Devil so it is highly likely even more so that Satan not Samael wouldv'e been used.' Even Heather comments 'Don't you mean devil?'. Most people do not know the name Samael, or its relation to Satan.

Here's some evidence on why Dahlia referred to the Seal of Metatron as the Mark of Samael. Samael & Metatron oppose eachother and used to sahre the same existence on the Kabbalah, she was using wrdplay to convince Harry that Alessa was taking his daughter as a sacriface to Samael and that she was demon. This is cofirmed by Harry saying the same thing I just did via a memo in SH3. If we are to believe that Samael is the name given by opposers as you state than to be neutural I would have to add that Metatron must be what thecult calls it! That would how yu theory would have to work. Because just saying thats the name opposers give it and not the cult doesn't make any sense. But does this make any sense to you at all?

FYI the God is based on the image of God that Dahlia had, which is clearly the image of Baphomet.

Xuchilbara 02:46, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Current edit war

  • Surely there is a better method for ending the current edit war than to insert a "semi-protection" template before making a request for page protection. --健次(derumi)talk 21:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that adding Samael as the God violates NPOV & WP:VERIFY. Its the equalivent of editing the Lilith page saying she is a goddess or was originally one. There's not a shred of evidence for that even though its popular opinion. this is the same way, its popular opinion but in game documents and other source contradict this view. I can provide citations for everything if a must.

Xuchilbara 21:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Over the past few days, you've been getting close to 3RR. Perhaps a referenced mention of why the particular boss is not Samael (of which I agree with you) in the Incubus/Baphomet/God entry. The speculation regarding Yellow God/Incubus is probably a good example to follow. --健次(derumi)talk 21:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. Works for me. We have something similar going on on the Divine list w/ Samael. I figured that'd be enough. But I guess I was wrong. Xuchilbara 21:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monster Symbolism

Monster symbolism should not be stated as fact unless it has been confirmed by Konami, Gans, Akira, or the Book of Translated Memories. While I don't see the harm in mentioning theories, it should be made clear that they are just that: theories. The simplest, most logical theories should be mentioned as well.

"Silent Hill (Movie) -- Gray Children (Silent Hill 1) - Represent Alessa after the cult burnt her nearly to death."

It seems more logical to say that the Grey Children represent the children from Alessa's school who tormented her, branding her a witch; they are now condemned to the same fate Alessa was thanks to their actions.

"Silent Hill (Movie) -- Pyramid Head (Silent Hill 2) - Created out of Dhalia Gillespie's guilt of allowing the Cult to take and burn Alessa."

Again, this can also be debated...

--Luthien Rogue 10:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

A lot of these monster interpretations from the movies can be debated, since they all appear to be wildly speculative with no basis on the film itself and no references to back them up.

I'd sure like to see the reference that mentions Colin the magic bathroom fairy as having an STD that infects walls.

Kestrel 22:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I really believe that most 'symbolic representations' of monsters that were unmodified and included from other games are completely erroneous and do not make sense, as Pyramid head doesn't necessarily represent anything from the movie because he was included from SH2, as well as the 'Lying Figures'. He hunts down the Cult members and anyone else it sees. this is a rather stupid statement as well, it is also very incorrect, in the movie he seems to want to kill those who have a wrong view and don't know exactly what happened with alessa and why it happened. The entire definition of pyramid seems to be a total assumption, i really dont know how to modify it because half of the things said are simply random assumptions, such as the hand gesture made by Dhalia. The movie section really needs a cleanup, i did as best i could but so much of it is extremely inaccurate. --Neur0X .talk 22:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I added the statement at the end of the "Hand gestures" nonsense about it probably meaning nothing, but it would be just as good if the whole paragraph was deleted. Kestrel 23:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anonymous

"Also to be considered as James Guilt reflection in Silent Hill is the fact these monster have their upper body wrapped in plastic." How does this make any sense? I'm going to dock it out until there's some kind of justification. (Shipton, not signed in) 69.192.15.31 17:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Why aren't there real names? 80.55.2.254 10:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Someone really needs to take the Valtiel passage and fix the grammar, spelling, punctuation, and content. It contains speculation and opinion regarding Pyramid Head, and possesses no flow overall. It's very difficult to read, and more difficult still to comprehend.

[edit] Giant Sewer Rats??

I don't recall any sewer rats in SH1, maybe you mean Hanged Scratchers? 84.10.103.180 08:33, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of Monsters

I was thinking of adding a blurb at the top of each section to mention the reason why each being look the way it does. this includes how the monsters of the first game are possibly things that Alessa\Cheryl would find scary (some are from her favourite book, some are clearly other chilren), the second game has James' objectification of women and fear of illness embodied as monsters, and Heather's is a general fear of men (closer's 'phallus' connotations). The fourth game I have no idea. Anyone think these are justified, or should I leave em out? Thaddius 22:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I think this is a pretty good idea. I remember finding Alessa's drawings in the first game and realzing how it all fit together. Coupled with the fact that SH is her mental playground adds depth to the story. Sabalon 18:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bottoms and double heads

I think that 'double heads' (or those twins, whichever0 are pretty creepy. I was mildly fascinated in a horrid sense by the way they point! Who else noticed??? Bottoms are pretty creepy too, but...I only just picked up that their heads are actually butts. What do they symbolise? I dislike of toilets or what??

[edit] Wah..?

Wah..? What are you on about, man? That's totally stupid. I've never heard anything more ridiculous. They're obviously a fear of public cubicles and...well...gross stuff that people do in them. Don't you pick up on that kind of thing? Anyways, I was thinking about the ghosts. I've noticed that every single ghost in the game (the room) has a name, or at least a number. The granny one is particualrly creepy, but I find that there are like a couple which have no real relivance to the plot other than they are Walter's victims. Like there are a couple random ones like in the department store and in the weird building.

[edit] Images?

Why aren't there any images of the creatures on this page (like the Resident Evil mosnters page), I suggest you guys add pictures on the page rather than just including a link.

http://www.sh-lostmemories.net/sh2/creatures_lt.htm --FlareNUKE 21:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Official Creature Names

Who edited Pyramid Head again? The creature's official name is "Red Pyramid Thing", not Pyramid Head. The Pyramid Head page is fine being called "Pyramid Head", since it's a different page and the creature goes by different names in the different works it appears in, but as far as Silent Hill 2 goes, the creature's official name is RED PYRAMID THING. I call the creature "Pyramid Head" all the time, but that doesn't take away from the fact that that's not its official name. This page is dedicated to official creature names, not secondary or fan names (most popular among fans). The links still go to the "Pyramid Head" page, so stop messing around with this. It is the official name and that's final. Conquerer 22:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I would say that Pyramid Head is his real name. If you look in the game, James always refers to it as that. It has capital spelling and everything. It has been called many things by many people, including Red Pyramid Thing and simply Red Pyramid. I can see disagreeing about whether "Pyramid Head" is his real name, but Red Pyramid Thing is no more so his real name than that.
SH2 states that its called Pyramid Head, play the game if you don't believe us. Since that's the only time he's mentioned in the games (since he only appears in SH2) that is pretty much his official name. Saying its not is like saying that James isn't his real name because it's only mentioned in the game. --Thaddius 13:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
It thought that since I didn't see anything referencing to the translated Book of Lost Memories (that has Pyramid Head named "Red Pyramid Thing") then I'll post a link to the 'Silent Hill 2 Creature Commentary' here[4]. If anyone doesn't mind then I might change it to that name, but I'll have Pyramid Head listed as it's most commonly used title. -- Godzilla 12:56, 08 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I dont get silent hill..

I absoulutely love the games but i dont get it. are they all dead in purgutory? is it all a dream? Or is it hell rising up only in silent hill?

Give me the truith as to why this is all hapening at (e-mail addy removed by thaddius) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.189.32.105 (talk) 13:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

I removed your e-mail address as it's not a good idea to leave it here. If you're genuinely interested in learning more about the games I suggest you look up 'Silent Hill' at GameFAQS.com and look into PresidentEvil's Plot guide. It's very informative. Please keep in mind though that this is not a discussion forum. --Thaddius 00:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samael and Metarton (don't worry)

I've edited both Samael and Metatron to reflect a more NPOV. Before it speculated that Samael was actually Metatron in SH1. Now it says that that is a possibility, and that it is not confirmed from Konami. I know there are people who strictly believe that SH3 'confirmed' that Dahlia was 'lying' in SH1 even though no one says any such thing in the games, but this is speculation and I've made the sections look like they aren't picking sides, which is what NPOV is all about. If you disagree, please say so here first and let us know how you plan to change the sections. Try to maintain NPOV. --Thaddius 13:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


Again with the Samael thing, I am really tired of it shown up on SH pages. Much of it unsubstainciated & fan speculation. from the SH1 Japanese official guide book translation (the ask the creators):

Q: What is the Mark of Samael?

A: The truth is that there is no profound significance.

Dahlia uses the phrase "the Mark of Samael" while speaking to Harry. This is a sophism to make Harry worry that terrible things are happening that must be stopped at any cost; it's nonsense that falls under the category of wordplay. Dahlia thought she could use Harry to catch Alessa, so she used incomprehensible terms with feigned sincerity.[5]

Another thing, Dahlia says "I never suspected the seal of Metatron in use." or something similar. That would mean that Dahlia had knowledge and knew the diffrence between Samael & Metaton.(She also didn't know Alessa was using it go figure, to the past article.) I would say that's fairly accurate too, because it's obvious Dahlia had extensive knowledge on the occult. Flauros for one thing is a army of 40 demons, in order to control them you need a triangle. Then we have the image of God that Dahlia had, which is based off Baphomet another occultic figure.

As for Samael being the cult's god... Just how can Samael be the cults God? She's female, a Solar deity (FYI Samael is associated with Mars.), and she's totally contridicting to the supposed devil himself. She has more in common with Amaterasu & Sol than "Satan". However, the confusion arises because the cult has been practicing black magic for sometime. (The reason I am saying this is because I do not want to see Samael = cult's god. It has no basis whatoever.) Xuchilbara 04:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think anyone has said Samael is the god. It makes no sense that Dahlia would attempt to 'trick' Harry by mentioning the name of an agent of Yaweh (Samael is an archangel, and therefore genderless by the way). If Harry had knowledge of Abramic religious beings he would not see Samael as an evil entity, therefore the trick makes little sense. Your link there seems to be an unofficial translation of an official text. No offence, but I never trust unofficial translations. I changed the article back to a neutral stance. Please leave it that way. No one wants to hear speculation on why Samael doesn't exist. The name was mentioned in the games, please leave it at that. This isn't a page for speculative fan theories. --Thaddius 12:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Samael has a gender, he is male. [6] And yes it is fan speculation, I'm sure Harry had knowledge as of Abramic religion, as Christianity is prevelent in American culture. (In Christianity Samael is satan.)Xuchilbara 18:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It was my understanding that angels were genderless and referred to as 'he' out of convenience\respect instead of saying 'it'. Although this still does not explain why you called Samael a 'she' earlier. Angels were created before Adam and Eve (and Lilith for that matter) before gender (angels do not reproduce, therefore not requiring genitals\gender). I'm aware of the story of Samael taking Lilith as a wife (this is mentioned in the Samael article), but this is not a widely accepted story (it is only mentioned in the Kabbalah), and again angels predate gender. That aside...

As for Samael being satan, samael has no attachment to Lucifer and is sometimes confused with satan: "Samael is often taken to be the true or angelic name of the Devil... but this is a mistranslation..." (from Samael). In Jewish, and therefore Christian, tradition, Samael is specifically mentioned as the tenth plague of Egypt, the angel of death: "In Jewish lore, he is said to be the Angel of Death" (from Samael).

I may be wrong, but these points are moot anyway. I'm glad we agree that anything but whats on the page is speculation. --Thaddius 19:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The 'she' was obviously a typo.(If I referred to Samael as 'she'.) Angels are assigned genders, because this doesn't explain Azael among others whose origins are in the book of Enoch.(Most angles are inheritly male.) But Samael is indentified as Satan in Christianity, or at least equated with. Lucifer isn't Satan or Samael either,(it's a result of a mistranslation in the bible, reffering to a Babylonian king, and is a poetic name for 'morningstar' a.k.a the planet Venus.) and I didn't mention Lucifer whatsoever, it has nothing to due with SH. But SH does pertain to Kabblah, Jewish theology, and the orgins of Christianity, among the occult aspect.

Xuchilbara 20:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

You said 'she' multiple times.

"As for Samael being the cult's god... Just how can Samael be the cults God? She's female, a Solar deity (FYI Samael is associated with Mars.), and she's totally contridicting to the supposed devil himself. She has more in common with Amaterasu & Sol than "Satan"."

Some typo. --Thaddius 03:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

  • sigh* It's not a typo, you completely misunderstood that entire thing(Because I wasn't "specific" enough): "As for Samael being the cult's god... Just how can Samael be the cults God? She's(<--- 'she' being God.) female. ---> About God:a Solar deity (FYI Samael is associated with Mars. <--- condriticting God, about Samael), and she's totally contridicting to the supposed devil himself. <-- Comparing the "devil" (Samael) & God diffrences. She has more in common with Amaterasu & Sol than "Satan"." <--- "Satan" being Samael in question, Sol & Amaterasu are female solar deities in reference to God.

Get it?

Why would I compare Samael to female solar deities in the first place?

Xuchilbara 04:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, so it wasn't a gender misnomer, it was a grammatical error. I suspected as much. It's a good idea to put the subject in a sentence, that way you avoid confusion. The way you typed, the word Samael was the only subject in the sentence.

It seems Samael isn't only a controversial subject in SH, it's also controversial in theology. After looking into it (in books, not just the internet) it seems there's just as many references to Samael as satan as there are to the angel of death. The satan ones though are found more often when describing satanists, while the angel of death is more often associated with Kabbalic and Jewish scripture. Again all this is moot, the article reflects a neutral stance. I suggest you read the Samael article. It seems to focus more on the angel of death side of things. --Thaddius 15:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


I've edited the wiki Samael article and I read demonology alot. But yeah this is all just moot. We really can't say what Samael's role (if any) is in SH.Xuchilbara 17:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Pictures

I'm not sure who's adding the photos here, so I'll cut to the chase. I have no problem with them being added, but a screenshot of both Gods from Sh1 and 3 would be nice and appriciated. I thought about adding the CG God from Sh1 but I'm not sure what copyright it would go under... Xuchilbara 03:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

It's probably just registered to Konami games, isn't it? The SH3 God will not work as an image. There are no clear screencaps available of its' full body, and the screencap of her face is too vague. Johnnyfog 01:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Symbolism

"It's also worth noting that while Pyramid Head displays some sexually based aggression in the video game (causing many to assume he partially represents James' sexual frustration towards his wife), any sexual edge to his character is completely removed in the movie, most likely for obscenity reasons"

I disagree. Remember in Silent Hill 2, in the room with the Abstract Daddy fight, the walls were full of holes being repeatedly penetrated to signify Angela's sexual abuse? As far as I can tell, in the film when Pyramid Head stabs through the door where Rose and Cybil are trapped, it's the same kind of symbolism going on. There's also the issue of PH ripping off Anna's clothes before ripping her skin off. Granted, I heard before watching the movie that Pyramid Head was meant to symbolize Colin the Janitor, which I don't think I believe, but it's probably slanted my view a bit. Still, Janitor or no, rape is a recurring theme in Alessa's nightmare world. (I believe it was here that I heard the whole Pyramid Head Colin thing, so it's likely that this has been debated before and I missed it. My apologies if that's the case) 4.238.181.33

[edit] Pyramid Head/Movie

Pyramid Head in the movie is almost definitely representative of Colin's act of rape against Alessa. The monster, which has always been phallic, penetrative, and tied to sexual violation, is also played by Roberto Campanella - credited at the film's end as Colin/Janitor/Pyramid Head. Pyramid Head also emerges from the world immediately after it is corrupted by the Janitor's reanimation in the stall where he raped Alessa. I've put a very conservative version of this into the article but it fell into place for me the first and only time I saw the movie in the theater when I saw the credits roll. Universaladdress 11:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Unless you have a reliable source that provides explicit support, this representation is merely POV speculation. It is not unusual for actors and actresses to take on multiple roles within the same work, especially if their appearance is costumed or disguised. Roberto may only have been the actor best suited for those roles with his flexibility and upper body strength. --健次(derumi)talk 16:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, remove it if you want, but it seems pretty self-evident. Especially as Gans has specifically said that Pyramid Head was recreated in his movie from the point of view of the female characters.Universaladdress 22:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


It doesn't look all that evident to me. After all it does not even carry a spear, unlike Silent Hill 2, which would be more of a phallic symbol, along w/ skewering someone. Derumi is right that its not uncanny for actors to take on multiple roles in the same movie. Saves money, after all. That doesn't mean anything to the Ph being this thing of sexual symbolism. It appears that the Ph is taking on his role of a excutionar in the movie, like in Silent hill 2. He may have based the Ph from a female point of view, but that doesn't entail that it was as sexual as James's experience. Xuchilbara 00:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I do understand this. The actor in question was also responsible for all the monster sequences, and it is certainly possible that he played both characters for that reason, but it seems extremely likely that the phallic monster of the game series, who appears in a sequence recalling the rape act, who chases our female protagonists, carves open a door with his gigantic sword, rips the clothes from a young girl, and so on, is related to sex and the rape act. The entire series is a nightmare of pseudo-Freudian imagery. To cut out obvious conclusions that aren't directly sourced to the creators we'd have to take a hatchet to every Silent Hill article and leave a lot of the information as incomplete as the creators have. Maybe that's not such a bad idea. Universaladdress 15:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I edited out my previous contribution. This article does need more than a bit of pruning, as per the suggestion below. Universaladdress 15:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs massive editing

This article is getting a bit big. Not only that but the majority of it is Original Research, especially the section devoted to the movie. Fan theories do not belong on Wikipedia. If you can find legit sources for the claims then by all means leave them in, but if not then it needs to go. A simple description of the enemy should suffice. If someone else hasn't done it in a few days I'll give it a shot. Levid37 03:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Good luck! I'll probably try to edit this article down as well as a previous offender in this regard. Universaladdress 15:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


I think the movie sec might be too big.(Not the entire article itself) I tried my best to remove some of the fan speculation and I did get rid of it on the sec of Divine creatures. I think a suffient amount of edits to the movie section is in order. Unfortumnaley I do not have as much knowledge on the movie, so by all means by bold and my guest.Xuchilbara 04:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I've taken out huge swaths from the movie section. I completely removed Pyramid Head because his entire section was speculation. I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be included, I just didn't want to try and tackle explaining him, and didn't want to leave the name with no explanation. Feel free to put him back in. Next I'll try and work on the game sections. Levid37 16:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Again I've edited the article down quite a bit. Anything that started with the words "Might represent" is gone. As it says right on the editing page, Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. Again, fan theories don't belong. As far as where to find sources, the Book of Lost Memories is an excellent place to start. It can be found (translated) in numerous places on the web. Levid37 15:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Good work; the article is looking better and better. --健次(derumi)talk 16:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Section on Arcade is incorrect

I've watched videos of people playing the Arcade, and there are more monsters than just those five. There are at least two new monsters that serve as bosses, and a spider creature that I think may be a boss or unique enemy. The split head worm from SH3 also appears as a boss.--24.255.171.220 (talk) 19:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)