Talk:List of School Rumble characters

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[edit] Karen Ichijō

Is this statement in her section true, "but later it is revealed that she does have considerably large breasts" or did an editor get confused because of the picture that Takeichi Fuyuki augmented of her. Just wondering either way. (Duane543 03:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Lala

Shouldn't it have been Laura, since Lala isn't a real name?

How can Lala not be a real name? It doesn't sound like one to you? In either case we go with the Del Rey translation. BrokenSphereMsg me 19:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About Articles...

I think only Tenma, Harima, Sawachika, Suou, Yakumo and Hanai should have their own articles. Since they are what the series main plotline characters are, Ichijou and Akira I don't think should have their own articles.. RedEyesMetal 17:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Akira I think can have hers, as she is within Tenma's close circle of friends, although out of the 3, the one who is focused on the least. Ichijo could be merged back into here, but hers isn't the only short one; Lala's and Sarah's could be merged back in as well. --BrokenSphere 17:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The distinction made here between "main characters" and "supporting characters" made on this page seems arbitrary, especially since these "main characters" get about the same (if not less) plot attention than some of the "supporting characters". It's probably more efficient to stick to the breakdown by class/faculty, especially to prevent listing characters twice (as is done with Yakumo, who is listed under both "supporting characters" and "Class 1-D"). --Swampstorm 21:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The thing with that though is that a character like Yakumo (who seems to be the only one affected) gets buried in the listing beneath a couple dozen Class 2-C students who are minor, most of whom aren't even really shown until Second Term. It would also place the other 2-C characters except for Harima and Tenma (who were previously in their own grouping) in with the rest of the class. I don't see an issue with listing a character twice if they happen to fall into more than one classification as long as the info isn't duplicative. BrokenSphereMsg me 22:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that we need to pick a single system of classification and stick by it. Aside from Yakumo, who is double listed under "Supporting Characters" and "Class 1-D", the present system doesn't tell us which class the other characters on the "Supporting Characters" list come from. Also, given that the next category is "Other Class 2-C" members, are we to assume that Yakumo is also a Class 2-C member?

There's also the issue of bias. If you decide to divide characters up based on their "importance", then the system of categorization will vary based on who is writing the classification. How will a reader know whether this article deems Imadori and/or Hanai to be "important enough" to be classified under "Supporting Characters" or "Class 2-C"?

The issue of any given character being buried under a list of other characters shouldn't be a problem, given that we have a table of contents so that people can have easy access to any given character. The Japanese language version of this page breaks the characters down by class very efficiently, if you want an example of how it can be done.

Incidently, while a number of the 2-C cast members only recieve a formal introduction in the second season of the anime, all of them make appearances well before that (it's even possible to construct a class seating plan of 2-C in Season 1), and a number of them have speaking roles, personalities, and backstories well in advance of being named. --Swampstorm 16:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The character hierarchy/listing largely follows the Japanese Wiki's version but merges 2-C and has the main and supporting charas split off with the other characters more subdivided. I decided to prioritize the supporting characters because Harima and Tenma were put by themselves under the main chara heading and thought that it didn't make sense to have the supporting charas left in their previous headings. However if the reader navigates to this page first after reading the main SR article, that already gives a brief outline of who's who in the character section.

I notice that the Japanese Wiki still gives some priority to the characters, listing Tenma and Harima at the top of their sections, for example, followed by Sawachika and Karasuma, respectively. If you want to avoid bias, because then sorting the other members of the class in their respective groupings could prove problematic and you and I already disagree as to who is more minor than who, an alphabetical sorting might be better. So perhaps we could try this:

  • split off the 2-C section into male/female groupings
  • merge the relevant charas who were split off back into the respective M/F 2-C sections
  • organize the M/F sections alphabetically
  • merge Yakumo back into 1-D
  • for consistency, have all the other listings (other than 2-C) listed alphabetically
  • subdivide the other characters section as per the Japanese Wiki; it does have some characters who aren't listed on here

BrokenSphereMsg me 16:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

You could also go with order of appearance, if you feel that it's more appropriate for a television show. Either way, this plan seems sensible.

I think that the next problem to tackle will be in finding a system with which to detail the relationships between all these characters. That's bound to become fairly complex. --Swampstorm 18:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Alpha might be better for finding people. What's wrong with the existing relationship chart? BrokenSphereMsg me 18:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

It's more of an issue of writing up the relationships (not necessarily just romantic) between characters. Each character page has a subsection for relationships, but the information on any given relationship will necessarily be common to both characters involved. It would be nice if we could set up the page layout to take advantage of this fact. There's probably enough information on some of these to make separate pages for them, but I'm not sure if that's the best course of action to take.

The relationship chart is different issue, but it's not one that we can presently solve, given that the relationships are constantly changing (the Sara-Asou-Mikoto-Hanai part of the web is one section that is very time dependant, for example). There are two official relationship charts that were released at different points in the series, and they are both quite different. It's probably best to let the manga finish before we address that point. --Swampstorm 15:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

How are the characters on the Japanese version sorted, as it looks like you're using that as a basis. BrokenSphereMsg me 06:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Each category in this list is sorted by order of appearance, using the guidelines for "first appearances" on the infobox animanga character discussion page. Right now the first appearances are shown in the character list, but it will need to be consistant with the infoboxes in the individual characters when they're added in under the "first" field, so I went with that format. This should also make it easier for the reader to find characters, and cross-reference them with those manga chapters themselves when that list is created.

The last five or so characters are unsorted, but the information about their names is more trivia than anything else. It's probably better to move them off the list and mention their names somewhere else (such as a team list for the survival arc).

On another note, I think we need to write a short summary paragraph each for the characters who have full articles. --Swampstorm 23:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split off the minor characters to their own page?

So they can be distinguished more easily. This would likely involve breaking up the existing groupings the characters fall into but since SR has so many, I think it'd be worth it. --BrokenSphere 19:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Verify

Can someone verify these statements done by IP: 219.94.56.60 on July 7, 2007, because Oji Karasuma being an alien from outer space just seems made up to me. (Duane543 22:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC))

I kind of somewhat these to Squilibob's attention as I haven't seen the whole anime series yet (all of S1 and OAVs and into 2nd Term); as far as I've seen in the anime (not the manga), his status as an alien was conceived of by Harima as part of a manga plotline, but I've read elsewhere that it's hinted that he is one. --BrokenSphere 22:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicative info

The main and supporting characters were written up 3 times: on the main article page, here, and on their respective articles. To reduce duplication, I've pulled all info and pics for them on here, leaving links to the main articles, and have done the same for the minor characters with their own articles (e.g. Sarah, Lala). BrokenSphereMsg me 17:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name derivals

I merged these into the relevant character articles or entries and the intro section into this article's lead. It makes more sense to see that info there vs. at the end of this article, at which point the reader may be confused as to who is referred to. I also pulled this out, as it's trivia and has nothing to do with name derivations.

BrokenSphereMsg me 01:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Year 2 Classes

The article says there's only 2C and 2D, but it's been shown several times that it goes from 2a to 2F. I'm going to correct it to say that 2C and D are just the main classes focussed on. If anybody disagrees, please explain why here. Phi Chi Delta 03:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)